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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:01 pm 
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Must be good Government then ;) :D


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Meanwhile in England, by far the largest of the union nations, the latest wellbeing survey shows the wellbeing measurement has significally increased since Brexit. Go figure.

Just goes to show that all the angst of the hand wringing Bremoaner sorts is exactly what it was in the referendum...a minority.


By that I take it you are saying who gives a flying fig about the border problem of NI and the possible dire consequences, "I'm all right Jack it won't effect me"

The wellbeing factor that has risen over the last FIVE years might have something to do with this country climbing out of a recession along with the rest of the world.

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GDP has been falling since the last quarter of 2014 so that doesn't tally.


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Frank_Butcher wrote:
GDP has been falling since the last quarter of 2014 so that doesn't tally.




And that's good government too is it?


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Balham_Green wrote:
Frank_Butcher wrote:
GDP has been falling since the last quarter of 2014 so that doesn't tally.




And that's good government too is it?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:02 pm 
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Blows the "weeee're doooooooomed" narrative you misey guts have been peddling since referendum day +1 out of the water. Just like the missing financial armageddon you confidentially predicted would happen, the nation is not less satified with life, does not see it's lives less worthwhile and is no less happy.

There may well be many factors at play in those stats, but you can bury your head all you like, Brexit hasn't had a negative effect on how the nation feels.

...and it'll only get better still once we rid ourselves of the EU :wave:


Brexiter MP John Redwood advising investors to not invest in UK. Such patriotism!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:20 pm 
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I’ve not had a Brexit rant for a while …..…… and I can feel the urge coming on.

I could list all of the desperate economic issues we face (we are now BOTTOM of the EU growth league by the way and Brexit hasn’t even happened yet) or the appalling mess we are in with the Irish border – has anybody even heard of a way that particular circle can be squared?? (It’s almost as if the whole frigging Brexit idea wasn’t thought through isn’t it?).

But No, this rant is about how our political clout on the world stage has just taken a serious hit. It certainly didn’t get the news attention it deserved (due the dire budget news) but it now transpires that from 2018 Britain will no longer have a judge on the International Court of Justice (ICJ) – the international tribunal on which we have had a place ever since the UN was set up after the Second World War. For the record there are sixteen seats on the ICJ – including four judges from EU members states – with a French President. Our man was replaced by an Indian judge and despite intense lobbying we simply didn’t have enough friends willing to back us anymore. This is seen as serious blow to our standing (the word "humiliating" was doing the rounds) but a boost to the so-called ‘group of 77’ nations pushing for reform of international bodies. Until now there has been an unwritten convention that the Permanent Members of the UN Security Council should each have a judge - but that has been challenged and overturned, to our detriment.

So how much longer before we also lose our precious place as a permanent member on the UN Security council? Why, ask many, in the 21st century should Britain and France be on it (along with US, Russia & China) simply because of world war II? There are serious calls to not only have representatives from South America and Africa added (Brazil & South Africa?) along with India and Japan – but also to replace Britain and France with……wait for it……. ……. a single EU representative :facepalm: How can we seriously argue against THAT?? ……

Still – I’m sure the devout Brexit faithful will say it’s pure coincidence that the reason we no longer get the prestige and international support we once enjoyed is because we are withdrawing from the biggest free trade area on the planet (with a GDP bigger than the US). Once we’re freed from the shackles of the EU they’ll all come running to give us wonderful new deals……. and the sun will always shine …. and we can drink our warm beer again….. and enjoy our cricket on the village greens…..


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Right then,time to bite the bullit. Time to give Ireland back to the Irish. Time to stop the DUP holding the Brexit issue to ransom.Leave means leave, time the DUP understood democracy. Northern Ireland voted remain, let them remain. Time to right the wrong of a divided Ireland.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:51 am 
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andyr1963 wrote:
Right then,time to bite the bullit. Time to give Ireland back to the Irish. Time to stop the DUP holding the Brexit issue to ransom.Leave means leave, time the DUP understood democracy. Northern Ireland voted remain, let them remain. Time to right the wrong of a divided Ireland.


You couldn't give a monkeys about the conflict it would cause.

Just like when you all voted like a bunch of 'patriotic' selfish numbskulls to leave. You only ever cared about yourselves.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:19 am 

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Ave_IT wrote:
I’ve not had a Brexit rant for a while …..…… and I can feel the urge coming on.

I could list all of the desperate economic issues we face (we are now BOTTOM of the EU growth league by the way and Brexit hasn’t even happened yet) or the appalling mess we are in with the Irish border – has anybody even heard of a way that particular circle can be squared?? (It’s almost as if the whole frigging Brexit idea wasn’t thought through isn’t it?).

But No, this rant is about how our political clout on the world stage has just taken a serious hit. It certainly didn’t get the news attention it deserved (due the dire budget news) but it now transpires that from 2018 Britain will no longer have a judge on the International Court of Justice (ICJ) – the international tribunal on which we have had a place ever since the UN was set up after the Second World War. For the record there are sixteen seats on the ICJ – including four judges from EU members states – with a French President. Our man was replaced by an Indian judge and despite intense lobbying we simply didn’t have enough friends willing to back us anymore. This is seen as serious blow to our standing (the word "humiliating" was doing the rounds) but a boost to the so-called ‘group of 77’ nations pushing for reform of international bodies. Until now there has been an unwritten convention that the Permanent Members of the UN Security Council should each have a judge - but that has been challenged and overturned, to our detriment.

So how much longer before we also lose our precious place as a permanent member on the UN Security council? Why, ask many, in the 21st century should Britain and France be on it (along with US, Russia & China) simply because of world war II? There are serious calls to not only have representatives from South America and Africa added (Brazil & South Africa?) along with India and Japan – but also to replace Britain and France with……wait for it……. ……. a single EU representative :facepalm: How can we seriously argue against THAT?? ……

Still – I’m sure the devout Brexit faithful will say it’s pure coincidence that the reason we no longer get the prestige and international support we once enjoyed is because we are withdrawing from the biggest free trade area on the planet (with a GDP bigger than the US). Once we’re freed from the shackles of the EU they’ll all come running to give us wonderful new deals……. and the sun will always shine …. and we can drink our warm beer again….. and enjoy our cricket on the village greens…..


You can as many rants as you want Ave_IT,

Keep it going. I can see Brexit failing hopefully
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:53 pm 
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Well, well……well. This is just shocking – absolutely appalling. Insert your own adjective – we should sack the bloody lot of them for gross negligence. I suggest you sit down before reading this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 94481.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12 ... it-impact/

Quote - David Davis in June about the impact of Brexit “50, nearly 60 sector analyses already done” then in October he said that work had been undertaken in “excruciating detail” .

As an ardent Remoaner witnessing the absolute shambles that is unfolding; – I’m genuinely sorry to say ‘debating’ the wisdom of Brexit now would be like arguing with that Iraqi general in the gulf war, ‘Comical Ali’, who insisted they were winning the war as the bombs were falling all around him. It’s just blind & pig-headed faith against the cold, brutal facts. Delusion versus reality. Did anyone have any idea we would witness this level of utter incompetence? I guess we all (Remainers and Leavers alike) naively assumed some kind of preparation, some kind of strategy, some kind of plan, some kind of basic logistical spade-work would be conducted behind the scenes. But No – it’s absolute frigging amateur-hour, fag-packet, on-the-hoof chaos. It would make for a funny satire if it wasn’t so bloody serious.

Brexit was always, from the very outset, full of ill thought-out and inherent contradictions…….. We want to have complete control of our borders – except for where we don’t want any borders. We want free and open trade – but don’t want to be subject to any of the agreements & rules you need for free & open trade. We want to break free from all that red-tape & bureaucracy – by introducing borders & customs & whole new raft of red-tape & regulations. We want to take back democratic control – by cutting & pasting all those EU laws and then handing ‘Henry VIII’ style powers to a small clique of ministers. We want to save all that money we pay to the EU – by handing over billions for a divorce bill (40? 50? 60 billion? …who knows?) – not to mention all the costs of border posts, civil service, layers of bureaucracy, currency devaluation, jobs leaving the UK, the inevitable tariffs etc. etc. We want to be a global free-trade champion – by quitting the biggest free trade area on the planet that’s right on our doorstep.

So I do get it that it was never going to be easy. It was always an absolute kak idea and it’s a kak place to have to start from. But we should at least expect some level of basic competence and professionalism from our politicians. (Actually the civil service haven’t covered themselves in glory either – although to be fair some of their most senior & experienced members quit early on in the process in frustration with ministers or hounded out for being too pro-EU).

But this latest news about the impact statements of Brexit on all the areas of our economy – long trumpeted and long promised – they DON’T EXIST!! It’s mind-boggling.

You have to feel sorry for the Europeans. Brexit is important to them too – they too had a right to expect to be dealing with competent, informed professionals. Looks like we were all wrong. Sack the bloody lot of them ... and if at all possible prosecute that lying snake Davis for fraud/ dereliction of duty/ something ...anything


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Hopefully, Damien Green gets sacked soon as David Davis will then resign. What a charlatan chancer liar.


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