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What future for the EFL Trophy?

Mark Colling

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Putting aside all talk about BTeams that is on other threads, James Brent was right when he said the competition was dying and something needed to be done with it so any suggestions as to what?

Clearly killing it off is one option but, if it has a future, I believe the clubs need to decide what they want it for first.

If it is to give valuable game time to fringe players in a competitive environment, then they probably need to expand the group stages and accept low crowds until Wembley is near.

If they want crowds, how about starting with 8 groups of 6 playing five group games instead of the August league games and delay starting the league season until after the transfer window has closed in September.

That way, the early stages have an identity, no competition from league fixtures and can help clubs finalise preparation for the main event with some meaningful games.

The 16 (or even just 8) teams through to the knock-out phase are then close to Wembley to keep crowds up, get those games played as quickly as possible with the final no later than November to maintain impetus?
 

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I'm not entirely sure there is much of a future regardless of B Teams. From what I can gather (although I haven't exactly asked loads of people) it was never very highly valued as a competition by fans anyway.
 
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There was nothing wrong with it. It was always a fairly pointless cup but I always enjoyed it. Now it's just farcical.
 
All local derbies 4 teams. Argyle ,them, turkey or gas and wurzels.
Home and away knock out with pens and extra time. Winners go through to single game knockout.
Keeping it as regional as possible(south/north?). Derbies attract the biggest crowds so as many
of them as possible. Keep the same 4 each season to keep the rivalry going from season
to season. Interest in winning a regional final of sorts should hopefully keep the crowds
interested for the later games until wembley gets closer. The only problem is 2 teams only get
2 games. Perhaps they can play each other for 3rd/4th? Being a derby there should still be some
interest.
If not then as it is now but the same teams as above. Got to be local derbies to get that interest
in early.
 

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Fat_green_belly":da3f5bhy said:
All local derbies 4 teams. Argyle ,them, turkey or gas and wurzels.
Home and away knock out with pens and extra time. Winners go through to single game knockout.
Keeping it as regional as possible(south/north?). Derbies attract the biggest crowds so as many
of them as possible. Keep the same 4 each season to keep the rivalry going from season
to season. Interest in winning a regional final of sorts should hopefully keep the crowds
interested for the later games until wembley gets closer. The only problem is 2 teams only get
2 games. Perhaps they can play each other for 3rd/4th? Being a derby there should still be some
interest.
If not then as it is now but the same teams as above. Got to be local derbies to get that interest
in early.


Its not always that simple. A "keep it local" group of 4 would be Newport, Cheltenham, Rovers and Swindon. Without Torquay, the SW is short of a permanent member. They same group each year would soon get boring.
 
Fat_green_belly":1ml5hpva said:
All local derbies 4 teams. Argyle ,them, turkey or gas and wurzels.
Home and away knock out with pens and extra time. Winners go through to single game knockout.
Keeping it as regional as possible(south/north?). Derbies attract the biggest crowds so as many
of them as possible. Keep the same 4 each season to keep the rivalry going from season
to season. Interest in winning a regional final of sorts should hopefully keep the crowds
interested for the later games until wembley gets closer. The only problem is 2 teams only get
2 games. Perhaps they can play each other for 3rd/4th? Being a derby there should still be some
interest.
If not then as it is now but the same teams as above. Got to be local derbies to get that interest
in early.

Yep, my thoughts too.
 
Lundan Cabbie":behc0yr4 said:
Its not always that simple. A "keep it local" group of 4 would be Newport, Cheltenham, Rovers and Swindon. Without Torquay, the SW is short of a permanent member. They same group each year would soon get boring.

Except that Cheltenham isn't in the south-west, and you'd struggle to make a case for Swindon.

For a cabbie, your geography is pretty lousy! :)

Right now we would have Argyle, Exeter, Rovers and Newport. Sorted.
 

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How about the Cockney Cup?

Gillingham v Southend.

Wycombe v Crawley

Stevenage v MK Dons
 

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Lundan Cabbie":stw66d7f said:
Fat_green_belly":stw66d7f said:
All local derbies 4 teams. Argyle ,them, turkey or gas and wurzels.
Home and away knock out with pens and extra time. Winners go through to single game knockout.
Keeping it as regional as possible(south/north?). Derbies attract the biggest crowds so as many
of them as possible. Keep the same 4 each season to keep the rivalry going from season
to season. Interest in winning a regional final of sorts should hopefully keep the crowds
interested for the later games until wembley gets closer. The only problem is 2 teams only get
2 games. Perhaps they can play each other for 3rd/4th? Being a derby there should still be some
interest.
If not then as it is now but the same teams as above. Got to be local derbies to get that interest
in early.


Its not always that simple. A "keep it local" group of 4 would be Newport, Cheltenham, Rovers and Swindon. Without Torquay, the SW is short of a permanent member. They same group each year would soon get boring.

Cheltenham have bizarrely been placed in the northern section and travel to Blackpool tomorrow for a kickabout.
There could be more players than fans at that game.
 
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just wondering why in such a meaningless competition as it is now turning out to be why don't we give the lads are supposed to be on development pro contract a chance to show what they can do I have heard they are in with under 18s training great development (not)
 
Lundan Cabbie":1dkqifrh said:
Fat_green_belly":1dkqifrh said:
All local derbies 4 teams. Argyle ,them, turkey or gas and wurzels.
Home and away knock out with pens and extra time. Winners go through to single game knockout.
Keeping it as regional as possible(south/north?). Derbies attract the biggest crowds so as many
of them as possible. Keep the same 4 each season to keep the rivalry going from season
to season. Interest in winning a regional final of sorts should hopefully keep the crowds
interested for the later games until wembley gets closer. The only problem is 2 teams only get
2 games. Perhaps they can play each other for 3rd/4th? Being a derby there should still be some
interest.
If not then as it is now but the same teams as above. Got to be local derbies to get that interest
in early.


Its not always that simple. A "keep it local" group of 4 would be Newport, Cheltenham, Rovers and Swindon. Without Torquay, the SW is short of a permanent member. They same group each year would soon get boring.
Derbies are never boring unless you live in london, lundan, as there are so so many just playing
derbies becomes boring. :greensmile:
It would only be at most 4 a season in a KO version including league games which is the same number
of games each team plays in the scottish premier i believe. Only 1 extra derby in a mini league.
So i dont think 3 or 4 derbies a season would be boring.
Your right about gas though.
Pompey are on there own a bit down there. Perhaps we could drag them into our group.
Or rotate between one of the 4 you mentioned with pompey which is only fair as they would
have the longest to travel down here. Sad Tufc not with us anymore.
 

Lundan Cabbie

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Bermudian Green":3kbbtrjp said:
Lundan Cabbie":3kbbtrjp said:
Its not always that simple. A "keep it local" group of 4 would be Newport, Cheltenham, Rovers and Swindon. Without Torquay, the SW is short of a permanent member. They same group each year would soon get boring.

Except that Cheltenham isn't in the south-west, and you'd struggle to make a case for Swindon.

For a cabbie, your geography is pretty lousy! :)

Right now we would have Argyle, Exeter, Rovers and Newport. Sorted.

Argyle is 125 miles from Rovers. The three I grouped the Gas with are all 30-45 miles from Bristol.

It is a strange quirk of numbers that they have had to place Cheltenham in the Northern Section. I guess the line has to be somewhere.