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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:37 pm 
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Mork you are turning in to a comedy character on here.


For me it's about perspective, maybe in my life, I've experienced things that cloud my judgement. However, in this case I think it's a complete overeation.
As a society we're conditioned to think that this is a serious incident and to be appalled by it is an appropriate reaction. Of course, in the bigger world, of serious things happening, where do you put this incident?
How many pages on this? How many pages on our woeful second half?
I know which one I take more seriously, you may disagree.
You make think I'm turning into a joke, that's fine. I think people like you may have lead a sheltered, politically correct lifestyle, who's double standards are staggering.


Yes because your perspective on life was spot on when you were ranting about the car park being full wasn't it?

Your last line made me smile, there are plenty on here who know how politically correct I am.


OMG Daz, How childish! Trawling up past topics to have ago. Must have touched a nerve.

For the record, my rant that day wasn't for me, it was on behalf of a disabled passenger. That thread and this are completely different topics.


I didn't trawl any posts, i just remembered how ridiculous you sounded back then, hence my original comment.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:15 pm 
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Daz wrote:
Mork wrote:
Daz wrote:
Mork wrote:
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Mork you are turning in to a comedy character on here.


For me it's about perspective, maybe in my life, I've experienced things that cloud my judgement. However, in this case I think it's a complete overeation.
As a society we're conditioned to think that this is a serious incident and to be appalled by it is an appropriate reaction. Of course, in the bigger world, of serious things happening, where do you put this incident?
How many pages on this? How many pages on our woeful second half?
I know which one I take more seriously, you may disagree.
You make think I'm turning into a joke, that's fine. I think people like you may have lead a sheltered, politically correct lifestyle, who's double standards are staggering.


Yes because your perspective on life was spot on when you were ranting about the car park being full wasn't it?

Your last line made me smile, there are plenty on here who know how politically correct I am.


OMG Daz, How childish! Trawling up past topics to have ago. Must have touched a nerve.

For the record, my rant that day wasn't for me, it was on behalf of a disabled passenger. That thread and this are completely different topics.


I didn't trawl any posts, i just remembered how ridiculous you sounded back then, hence my original comment.


If you don't understand or agree with a point being made, its one thing, but to cheap shot it as ridiculous is another, if like me you've been using the car park for the last 35 years, ill listen, if not , move on.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:46 pm 
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The longer this goes on, the more astonishing thing, even more astonishing than a grown man shoving over a ballboy with absolutely no provocation, is the fact that no-one at Orient, not the player, not the manager, not the kit man, not the chairman has come out to show even the slightest contrition.
Now, fortunately the shove was a few yards from the advertising hoardings, and consequentially the ballboy fell on his arse, looked a bit daft and sat there wondering what he'd done to merit Kelly's wrath..but a yard or so further off the pitch and the potential is there for a Jordan Forster at Barnet situation (broken jaw after colliding with the adverts) - it really isn't beyond the realms of possibility. When a player goes in for an honest challenge and ends up smashing into the crash barrier its an unfortunate risk of the game. But there was no need for Kelly to bring that possibility into the equation and he's lucky that the ballboy was a stout enough lad to collapse on his backside rather than stumble further. On that note, having watched the footage I have to say the ballboy's reaction was exemplary - he's obviously a big lad and, having done nothing to warrant Kelly's push he acted with credit to the club - he looks big enough to have handled a snide like Kelly if he hadn't been floored by the element of surprise, so it's a good job he did just sit there looking perplexed rather than taking matters into his own hands as other teenagers would have.

Now if anyone at Orient had released any kind of comment with a smidgen of contrition for Kelly's actions it'd would look a lot more favorable for them when Kelly turns up at his hearing. I'm not biased enough to think that there's no way an Argyle player will ever do anything similar, and I've had a few things to say about the management of the club in the recent past, but I know for sure that if an Argyle player did something similar, regardless of whether the club felt it was a storm in a teacup or not, they'd come out and offer some sort of apology.
The absence of any kind of olive branch from Orient and Kelly, even to the ballboy himself, and the disgusting reporting of the incident comparing it to LM, by a reporter apparently affiliated with the club, is making them look even more classless than they did on the night.

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Why can't we just leave it until the FA has made a decision?

After the decision is made, and any appeal procedure, if any, is resolved, I would expect Leyton Orient and Kelly to contact the ball boy and his parents to apologise.

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The longer this goes on, the more astonishing thing, even more astonishing than a grown man shoving over a ballboy with absolutely no provocation, is the fact that no-one at Orient, not the player, not the manager, not the kit man, not the chairman has come out to show even the slightest contrition.
Now, fortunately the shove was a few yards from the advertising hoardings, and consequentially the ballboy fell on his arse, looked a bit daft and sat there wondering what he'd done to merit Kelly's wrath..but a yard or so further off the pitch and the potential is there for a Jordan Forster at Barnet situation (broken jaw after colliding with the adverts) - it really isn't beyond the realms of possibility. When a player goes in for an honest challenge and ends up smashing into the crash barrier its an unfortunate risk of the game. But there was no need for Kelly to bring that possibility into the equation and he's lucky that the ballboy was a stout enough lad to collapse on his backside rather than stumble further. On that note, having watched the footage I have to say the ballboy's reaction was exemplary - he's obviously a big lad and, having done nothing to warrant Kelly's push he acted with credit to the club - he looks big enough to have handled a snide like Kelly if he hadn't been floored by the element of surprise, so it's a good job he did just sit there looking perplexed rather than taking matters into his own hands as other teenagers would have.

Now if anyone at Orient had released any kind of comment with a smidgen of contrition for Kelly's actions it'd would look a lot more favorable for them when Kelly turns up at his hearing. I'm not biased enough to think that there's no way an Argyle player will ever do anything similar, and I've had a few things to say about the management of the club in the recent past, but I know for sure that if an Argyle player did something similar, regardless of whether the club felt it was a storm in a teacup or not, they'd come out and offer some sort of apology.
The absence of any kind of olive branch from Orient and Kelly, even to the ballboy himself, and the disgusting reporting of the incident comparing it to LM, by a reporter apparently affiliated with the club, is making them look even more classless than they did on the night.


I will be surprised if there is a hearing. In light of the evidence, he surely will just accept the charge.


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Just wondering, if the ballboy had retaliated and lamped Kelly (which is no more than the pratt deserved), what the consequences would have been for him and/or Argyle? Does anyone know?

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Emeraldinho wrote:
Just wondering, if the ballboy had retaliated and lamped Kelly (which is no more than the pratt deserved), what the consequences would have been for him and/or Argyle? Does anyone know?


I was thinking that earlier. Don't know if it would be self-defence as surely that's only the case if he tried to protect himself when Kelly pushed him originally, although I stand to be corrected.

As it is, the ball-boy reacted admirably by not retaliating and let's hope Kelly gets the punishment he deserves now.

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Emeraldinho wrote:
Just wondering, if the ballboy had retaliated and lamped Kelly (which is no more than the pratt deserved), what the consequences would have been for him and/or Argyle? Does anyone know?


It's an interesting question but I would guess he qualifies as an employee and would have been subject to internal disciplinary procedures by Argyle and if the FA became involved, they could sanction the club if it went that far.


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Maybe they were concentrating on defending the corner???


That worked well lol


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Oscar certainly saw what happened.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:07 pm 
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davie nine wrote:
Why can't we just leave it until the FA has made a decision?

After the decision is made, and any appeal procedure, if any, is resolved, I would expect Leyton Orient and Kelly to contact the ball boy and his parents to apologise.


I agree with UTL, regardless of any FA decision he should have apologised, he doesn't have to accept he did something wrong if he doesn't want to, but really should check on the lads welfare etc.

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davie nine wrote:
Why can't we just leave it until the FA has made a decision?

After the decision is made, and any appeal procedure, if any, is resolved, I would expect Leyton Orient and Kelly to contact the ball boy and his parents to apologise.


I agree with UTL, regardless of any FA decision he should have apologised, he doesn't have to accept he did something wrong if he doesn't want to, but really should check on the lads welfare etc.


How do we know this hasn't already happened?


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Because it's not in the Herald. Everyone knows where to go to for the current and the truth!


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