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New Grandstand - 2 day public consultation
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xmastree":28me9rn5 said:
As a rule of thumb I wouldn't expext there to be, but as I was not there I just wanted to clarify in case it was all part of a master plan to fund our way up the leagues.
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Argyle Nutter":19fsa89g said:
Yes it only relates to the area behind the Grandstand that Brent bought, as I said earlier. Not the new land he's trying to buy.
The other agreement has always been in place to either provide a new Grandstand (which obviously hasn't happened) or compensate PAFC accordingly.
It would be interesting to learn the actual terms of any profit share. For example, do Argyle get 50% of any ongoing profit indefinitely?
Thanks Graham. Do we subsequently know what constitutes a 'profit'?. I.e. Would a unit need to be actually sold (at a price above cost), and if so what happens if the units are merely rented out which I'm assuming is much more likely for retail/food outlets. Is there a time limit on Plymouth Argyle's right to their share of profits, e.g. If the ice rink is for example making an annual profit in say 10 years time do we get 50% of that profit if it stays under James Brents ownership?
Quintrell_Green":1x06ugjv said:
The reason I used FIA as an example is because you have 2 more rinks within 35 miles in Edinburgh and Dundee, even with competition FIA is very successful, so for an ice arena on HHP I can see that it would get trade from both Plymouthians themselves but also from the surrounding areas. When I go to watch Fife Flyers at FIA you see people there from all over Fife and not just Kirkcaldy where FIA is based. You even see Flyers fans there from Newport on Tay and Cupar which are both considerably closer to Dundee than they are to Kirkcaldy.
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If the rink is built properly and used properly then yes it could be quite profitable, but if it is only built to be a skating rink then I doubt it will be.
When I say built properly and used properly, I mean the facility is used to it's full extent. Over here we have city owned ice rinks all over the city, and they are only used for skating and hockey and they don't make any money, we have privately owned ice rinks and they make money, because their costs are a lot less than city rinks.
Then we have 2 larger ice rinks that are privately owned, one that seats 20,000 people and the other holds 10,000 people, these 2 rinks main purpose is for ice hockey, the large one for the Ottawa Senators of the NHL and the smaller one for the Ottawa 67's a team that plays in the OHL. The NHL games are usually sold out, the OHL games about half sold out, but that only covers about 40-50 days of the year, also with the ice in you can have ice shows, curling, recreation skating etc. but with the use of flooring to cover the ice, it opens up the facility for a whole lot of other uses such as concerts, basketball games, trade shows, circuses, conventions, etc. In fact most recently the smaller rink hosted the Canada - Great Britain Davis cup match
Some mentioned that the Raiders could play at this facility, great idea but with only 1200 seats is that sufficient for the Raiders, what type of crowds do they get at the Pavilions? Looking at the drawings I don't see how the rink could be made any larger in that location, 1200 seats is not enough it should be at least 3000 seats.
Argyle-sy":18mho2g6 said:
It's very common in the States.
For example, the Washington Wizards (basketball) and Washington Capitals (Ice Hockey) share a rink / court very successfully, even playing one sport one night, and the other the next night.
If anyone is interested, here's how they change surfaces overnight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_4FqmEOVb0
I doubt that we will be made aware of the detail but I think that we can rest assured that Simon Hallett will know and be comfortable with it.Rob_GT4":ikgwhhmn said:
Further to my other post, the Braehead Arena in Glasgow is a multi-purpose Ice Hockey arena with a capacity of 5300 that also hosts events such as WWE, boxing, Davis Cup tennis, X Factor auditions and concerts by the likes of Beyonce, Oasis and Calvin Harris.
Something like that would be brilliant, especially if Argyle's facilities could be incorporated as well
http://www.braehead-arena.co.uk/Events
Something like that would be brilliant, especially if Argyle's facilities could be incorporated as well
http://www.braehead-arena.co.uk/Events
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Things are on the move because documents have already been submitted to the planning office at Plymouth City Council. It's not a planning application but a "Screening Opinion" which decides if the development has an environmental impact on the area before a planning application is submitted.
The immediate concern to me would be the lack of car parking spaces at the Western Gate Site, given the number of bedrooms being offered, and the additional business attracted to the eating outlet. There is not exactly an abundance of 'on-street' parking on that side of Outland Rd to accommodate overflows!