Derek Adams has to go.

chunkymonkey78":ngytm6tz said:

Ade the green":ngytm6tz said:

Watching us get promoted playing dogs hit football is one thing, watching us getting demoted playing the same is entirely different. Those advocating giving him until Christmas must like League two football as that will be all but guaranteed by then.

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Could be wrong but I'm not sure JB is one with an itchy trigger finger anyway.

He gave Fletcher plenty of rope before he finally cut it, Sheridan was allowed time before he made a decision and I'm pretty sure DA will be allowed it too.

I'd be surprised if DA wasn't given until at least Xmas to turn it round.

Not sure if people are missing my point on purpose or not, he's got the job done up until now, he needs to be given a chance to turn it around, if he doesn't change his approach etc in the next 3 months it's time for a change.

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Andy Holland":8p1h27e6 said:

If we start to get cut off at the bottom, then even the people saying "give him until Christmas" will change their tunes.

Christmas is an awfully long way off.

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up_the_line":1walkn3m said:

chunkymonkey78":1walkn3m said:

Orient won 3-2.

People seem to be conveniently forgetting a Wembley trip, a brilliant couple of FA cup games against Liverpool and a promotion season to boot. All of a sudden the apathetical Janner was proud of the club again.

So many people ready to stick the boot in. He deserves time to turn the bad run around. The clubs that are sacking around us have been struggling for a while.

If he's still playing one up and players out of position come Xmas and is showing no signs of learning lessons then it's time for a change, what with the January window etc. Although ironic if the club gives the new manager money to spend as often happens in football.

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1. Wembley was a disgrace and an embarrassment, it would be convenient if I could forget it as Argyle's performance would be utterly forgettable had it not been so utterly inept. It was the worst example of Adams' timidness in watching us do nothing with one up front for 75 minutes in a one off game and only pulling his finger out of his arse to change it as a reaction to going one down when it was already too late. His management cost us that game, not anything Kelvin Mellor did.
That's before you even factor in the disastrous capitulation in the second half of that season including such memorable humiliations as Dagenham at home. Adams' conservative tactics, particularly in the second half of his first season and most spectacularly at Wembley held us back in league 4 a season longer than we should have been in it, and lest we forget it was only one step further than Sheridan actually took a truly god awful set of players the previous season (but then, for all his flaws as a manager he knew a goalscorer when he saw one: RR).

2. The promotion season was another example of Adams going more and more conservative and negative as the season wore on and was the worst, most joyless of the four promotion seasons I've witnessed, encapsulated not only by the dirge served up in several home drubbings (surely a pointer as to how the tactics would work at a slightly higher level), but also, with promotion assured and a championship to play for, performances like the utter non event at Colchester. Once again, although this time we were up, the championship was handed to Portsmouth who demonstrated how to win a league playing with panache and swagger on the last day. Another few weeks and we'd have slipped from the top 3.

3. Considering the above it's highly disingenuous to imply that the criticism is only coming now we've lost a few on the bounce, because, albeit a minority, some of us started to question the tactics, inability or unwillingness to change and frankly dour football a long time ago. I kind of begrudgingly accepted that Adams may have seen the binary tactics as a means to an end against the crapsters in div 4 who were marginally less capable of scoring than us (thanks mostly to Graham Carey), but what the hell is the point of the 2 year bore fest to get us out of that division only to continue to serve up the same drivel with the utterly predictable result of an immediate return to the likes of Morecambe and Accrington.... Presumably so we can overacheive against them and their mighty sub 2,000 crowds (point 4, ridiculous patronising, egotistical statements about overacheiving... Overacheiving is keeping Morecambe in the football league season after season, overacheiving is Bradford's cup runs... It's not getting Plymouth Argyle out of the bottom division in league football at the second time of asking, losing 7 at home and going up largely because Carey stayed fit enough to contribute the majority of our goals). Who in their right mind thinks that after playing this way for 2 years and taking a number of tankings at home that Adams is going to 'drop the stubborness'? He's already said that the way he plays is harder to defend against than 2 up front, so God alone knows how few he thinks we'd have scored with 2 strikers given the pathetic number of goals we've managed so far with one up front.

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kernow19":2808p1xg said:

Ah, the fickleness of "yer average football fan" perfectly summed up during the course of just one internet thread. Just got to love it.

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warney":f6bggsad said:

Thread should have been closed after UTL's lengthy but unfortunately spot on post!

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Biggs":12zlct1o said:

PL2 3DQ":12zlct1o said:

Adams' whole game plan is to score first, sit back, stifle and play on the counter attack.
It has worked very well since he's been our manager.

If the opposition score first the game plan falls apart, the players have a defensive mindset ingrained into them and find it very difficult to chase a game.
We are the only team in all four leagues not to score in the first half of a game so that stat shows we have rarely scored first this season.
We won the only game we did score first.

Adams is similar to Sheridan in that he doesn't have a plan B.

Despite all this deserves to stay and be given the chance to move us away from the relegation zone.
He's also been hampered by losing so many key players through injury or suspension.

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With my pi55ed off head on, I can't help thinking that now we're finally out of League 2 we need a progressive manager to take us forward. Swansea got out of League 2 with the old-school stylings of Brian Flynn before building something with Roberto Martinez.

Sitting back and stifling isn't the way forward, the only argument for that would be if we really did have the lowest budget in the division and we had Liverpool-style David and Goliath mismatches every week in which we'd get murdered if we tried to play football.

I am really, really disappointed because I assumed once we got out of the basement division, we would start to develop as an attacking force with Carey as the centrepoint. No longer shackled by the do-or-die pressure of the last few seasons to either get promotion or avoid relegation at any cost.

Instead we're 'matching' up to fellow strugglers at home? Rubbish isn't it?

HOWEVER.... I felt this way at the start of last season about our tactics and recruitment and we finished joint top. Things can change very, very quickly in football.

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PL2 3DQ":cnq5fmhp said:

Adams' whole game plan is to score first, sit back, stifle and play on the counter attack.
It has worked very well since he's been our manager.

If the opposition score first the game plan falls apart, the players have a defensive mindset ingrained into them and find it very difficult to chase a game.
We are the only team in all four leagues not to score in the first half of a game so that stat shows we have rarely scored first this season.
We won the only game we did score first.

Adams is similar to Sheridan in that he doesn't have a plan B.

Despite all this deserves to stay and be given the chance to move us away from the relegation zone.
He's also been hampered by losing so many key players through injury or suspension.

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