Paul Wotton to equal Sammy Black's record?

PL2 3DQ · Apr 15, 2014

It's worth pointing out that if Paul Wotton plays a part in the two Easter games against Bury and Wimbledon he will equal Sammy Black's record of 491 appearances for PAFC. :clap:

With four games to go in the regular season and with Wotton out of contract this summer let's hope we witness history in the making and Wottsie plays in at least three of those games to become Argyle's second all-time appearance holder behind Kevin Hodges.

Sammy Black's record has stood for 76 years.

1: Kevin Hodges - starts 586, sub 34, total 620.
2: Sammy Black - starts 491, sub 0, total 491.
3: Paul Wotton - starts 448, sub 41, total 489.

Thanks to GOS.

Cobi Budge. · Apr 15, 2014

I think he'll extend for another year as a back up at CB & CM, as well as doing some coaching which he's apparently already started.

He'll manage oneday.

Every Saturday · Apr 15, 2014

I would love to see Wotts equal this record - such a great servant of the club

cheshiregreen · Apr 15, 2014

Fantastic effort from Mr Argyle, Paul Wotton.

Of course, Sammy Black's appearances were all starts, whereas Paul's include 41 sub appearances.

IJN · Apr 15, 2014

Great when he does it.

It could be an opportune moment to bid for this one!!

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GreenArmy1984 · Apr 15, 2014

Yes wottsy deserves to become 2nd highest PAFC Appearances at 492 hopefully v Hartlepool at home park

And you never know wottsy might get another 1 year deal next season

There's only 1 Paul Wotton !!!!

Lundan Cabbie · Apr 15, 2014

PL2 3DQ":2phal6k5 said:
It's worth pointing out that if Paul Wotton plays a part in the two Easter games against Bury and Wimbledon he will equal Sammy Black's record of 491 appearances for PAFC. :clap:

With four games to go in the regular season and with Wotton out of contract this summer let's hope we witness history in the making and Wottsie plays in at least three of those games to become Argyle's second all-time appearance holder behind Kevin Hodges.

Sammy Black's record has stood for 76 years.

How can Sammy Black's record have stood for 76 years if it was beaten by Kevin Hodges?

Steve Dean · Apr 15, 2014

It's the record for being in second place of course!

One thing to bear in mind: Sammy's 491 appearances were all in the starting line-up (naturally in those days). Wottsy's total includes 41 substitute appearances.

PL2 3DQ · Apr 15, 2014

Lundan Cabbie":1wbgy5dz said:
PL2 3DQ":1wbgy5dz said:

It's worth pointing out that if Paul Wotton plays a part in the two Easter games against Bury and Wimbledon he will equal Sammy Black's record of 491 appearances for PAFC. :clap:

With four games to go in the regular season and with Wotton out of contract this summer let's hope we witness history in the making and Wottsie plays in at least three of those games to become Argyle's second all-time appearance holder behind Kevin Hodges.

Sammy Black's record has stood for 76 years.

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How can Sammy Black's record have stood for 76 years if it was beaten by Kevin Hodges?

Pedantic but a fair point.

RWW · Apr 15, 2014

Wotton has been a great servant and I think he can do one more year.

I'm not sure we should be pushing him into management though. What evidence do we have that he'd be any good?

soccerpilgrim · Apr 15, 2014

He's an Argyle legend. I hope he can reach 492! I'm not sure I'd offer him a contract exetension, though. He's already involved in coaching the youth teams, so he can keep that job.

Ade the green · Apr 15, 2014

GreensOnScreen"[color=#FF0000:1jzs4h0z said:
]It's the record for being in second place of course![/color]

One thing to bear in mind: Sammy's 491 appearances were all in the starting line-up (naturally in those days). Wottsy's total includes 41 substitute appearances.

Kevin Hodges was later so Sammy's record couldn't have been for second place. As for appearances, Sammy's (for obvious reasons) cannot be added to whereas Wotton's can extend therefor bringing the gap between 1st and 2nd closer.

L G · Apr 15, 2014

GreenArmy1984":jl1y6btw said:
Yes wottsy deserves to become 2nd highest PAFC Appearances at 492 hopefully v Hartlepool at home park

And you never know wottsy might get another 1 year deal next season

There's only 1 Paul Wotton !!!!

Now there's something you don't see every day! :lol:

Lundan Cabbie · Apr 15, 2014

GreensOnScreen":26buwfok said:
It's the record for being in second place of course!

One thing to bear in mind: Sammy's 491 appearances were all in the starting line-up (naturally in those days). Wottsy's total includes 41 substitute appearances.

An appearance is an appearance, whether from the start or as a sub. Back in pre-substitute days if a player got so injured that he couldn't continue he would simply go off and the team would go down to ten men. You will struggle to find records of when this might have happened though. There is no guarantee that Sammy Black finished every one of his 491 starts.

Steve Dean · Apr 15, 2014

Lundan Cabbie":jjdzt3fv said:
GreensOnScreen":jjdzt3fv said:

It's the record for being in second place of course!

One thing to bear in mind: Sammy's 491 appearances were all in the starting line-up (naturally in those days). Wottsy's total includes 41 substitute appearances.

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An appearance is an appearance, whether from the start or as a sub. Back in pre-substitute days if a player got so injured that he couldn't continue he would simply go off and the team would go down to ten men. You will struggle to find records of when this might have happened though. There is no guarantee that Sammy Black finished every one of his 491 starts.

In pre-substitute days, if a player got injured, he would do his very best to stay on the pitch, even if it meant limping on the wing, to avoid going down to 10 men. If he did go off, it wasn't unusual for him to reappear after dressing room treatment. So I reckon the proportion of games that a player did not complete was actually quite small.

Now we have substitutes, which means that an oncoming player usually makes a relatively short appearance, typically in the latter stages of a game, and even for just a couple of minutes. What's more, a starter is less likely to end a game, not just because of injury (where there is now no reason to make up the numbers), but also for tactical reasons.

You are right of course, there are no stats to back up the effects of injuries in the old days and substitutions in the more modern game, so it's impossible to make objective judgements - hence you have to say that an appearances is an appearance, no matter what the form.

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