Southampton take over one of our development centres

ming the merciless · Jul 25, 2014

http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/...-League-link/story-21749307-detail/story.html

Seem such a shame that we have been unable to keep hold of what has been a productive centre. I guess money talks.

crownhill pilgrim · Jul 25, 2014

And results talk - just look at the players Southampton have produced/developed.

jimsing · Jul 25, 2014

Absolutely disgusting for Chivenor Soccer School to just roll over and decide that they will support Southampton instead of Argyle after 17 years of support from Argyle.
Absolutely disgusted that one of the lads, Head Coach's son, Lee Barrow, has gone to West Brom.
Disgusting that young Olly Gardner can be just taken over by Southampton without a bye or leave.
It doesn't even suggest that any compensation will be granted by Southampton for the three years training that Argyle have put into the lad.
Absolutely disgusted with the way that Southampton have ridden roughshod over everyone. Is this what we can expect from the new system??
If so , it stinks.

Elias · Jul 26, 2014

what do expect them to do stay at a club thats going nowhere in preference to clubs currently at heights argyle will never likely achieve ?

BadBoy · Jul 26, 2014

jimsing":3m4pz8wu said:
Absolutely disgusting for Chivenor Soccer School to just roll over and decide that they will support Southampton instead of Argyle after 17 years of support from Argyle.
Absolutely disgusted that one of the lads, Head Coach's son, Lee Barrow, has gone to West Brom.
Disgusting that young Olly Gardner can be just taken over by Southampton without a bye or leave.
It doesn't even suggest that any compensation will be granted by Southampton for the three years training that Argyle have put into the lad.
Absolutely disgusted with the way that Southampton have ridden roughshod over everyone. Is this what we can expect from the new system??
If so , it stinks.

obviously you realise only the premier league matters and that all other football is just an inconvenient sideshow.

Lundan Cabbie · Jul 26, 2014

jimsing":2k7gvw1m said:
Absolutely disgusting for Chivenor Soccer School to just roll over and decide that they will support Southampton instead of Argyle after 17 years of support from Argyle.
Absolutely disgusted that one of the lads, Head Coach's son, Lee Barrow, has gone to West Brom.
Disgusting that young Olly Gardner can be just taken over by Southampton without a bye or leave.
It doesn't even suggest that any compensation will be granted by Southampton for the three years training that Argyle have put into the lad.
Absolutely disgusted with the way that Southampton have ridden roughshod over everyone. Is this what we can expect from the new system??
If so , it stinks.

Young players can't just be stolen anymore. EPPP guarantees that Argyle will be compensated for their development of Olly Gardner. They will be due around £30,000.

memory man · Jul 26, 2014

I don't begin to understand how this all works these days. I think we all understand that the rich are getting richer and the impoverished lower leagues are getting poorer. The combination of too many young foreign players being developed in this country, the established foreigners being recruited and the way youth players can be taken away from the smaller clubs is toxic to survival at the lower end. I include the Conference in that equation. The days where a third, fourth or fifth tier club can sell a decent player a year to survive seems long gone. It was something that Argyle did quite well out of over the years - Govan, Trebilcock, Mariner, Megson and Martin Hodge are some examples that spring to mind. Now they would be spirited away at 14, 15 and 16 for relatively small amounts. It is not quite stolen but the compensation paid does not represent the worth they would have had if they had 100 first team appearances under their belt.

Lundan Cabbie · Jul 26, 2014

The money is to compensate the club for the development they have put into a youngster. It is not a payment that reflects future potential. Any youngster who has 100 appearances to his name, the compensation is massively increased.

Ollieargyle9 · Jul 26, 2014

Lundan Cabbie":3iigifa5 said:
The money is to compensate the club for the development they have put into a youngster. It is not a payment that reflects future potential. Any youngster who has 100 appearances to his name, the compensation is massively increased.

So a system set up to manage the transfer of players sold purely in the basis of their potential assigns no importance to their potential and that doesn't sound completely ludicrous to you?

We don't want compensation, we don't want "cost price" for players who are worth far more than their "cost" when they're taken from us. We're a business, we don't risk investing money in these players to be patted on the head, given back our investment and told a bigger business will take over from here. It's wrong!!!

X Isle · Jul 26, 2014

But a player is never going to get the opportunity to play 100 games if he's 'stolen' when he's a toddler Cabster.

I wonder if that outlook would be slightly different if Palace hadn't just been singlehandedly saved from relegation by Tony Pulis. Relegation would've meant financial meltdown and the prospect for Palace of 'doing a Barnsley/Wednesday/Wolves'.

And what happens to the Banton's, Matt Parsons' Kwesi Appiah's (insert the dozen plus others Palace spat out last year) of this world when, having hoovered up the youth/non league talent only to reject them, there's no lower/non league clubs left to rescue their careers?

Forgive me but it's hard to take a lesson in economics from a club sitting at the very same top table that's killing the lower leagues.

ming the merciless · Jul 26, 2014

The shame of it is that the top flight are making a pee poor job with the youth players they already have. Most just don't get the opportunity to play. The thought of allowing them to hoover up even more promising talent fills me with dread. They will just bloat there ranks even more than they already are with youngsters that won't get much opportunity to play league football. Our premier league are killing the game, too much power with nobody governing body too intervene when they abuse it.

Green Matt · Jul 26, 2014

The Premiership is a destructive influence and the inbalance it causes to all aspects of English football shows no sign of slowing.

X Isle · Jul 26, 2014

Green_Matt":3aiyu2ko said:
The Premiership is a destructive influence and the inbalance it causes to all aspects of English football shows no sign of slowing.

Yup, and it's killed any chance of the national team ever winning anything too. Every club does their own thing which means the few training sessions a national team coach does is spent unlearning what the clubs have put into them.

Compare with Germany where the whole country, from youth to national team plays broadly the same way. That'll never happen in England.

Dyke pays lip service to the problem with his stupid B league suggestion but can you really see Pulis and Allerdyce structuring their development and tactics the same way Rogers and Wenger will? Won't happen. As said above they'll all bloat their numbers with promising youngsters then spit the majority out at 21ish for what's left of the starving lower leagues to feed on.

The EPL is no good for anyone but armchair fans and shareholders.

Harry Perkins · Jul 26, 2014

X Isle":2k2npkoi said:
Green_Matt":2k2npkoi said:

The Premiership is a destructive influence and the inbalance it causes to all aspects of English football shows no sign of slowing.

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Yup, and it's killed any chance of the national team ever winning anything too. Every club does their own thing which means the few training sessions a national team coach does is spent unlearning what the clubs have put into them.

Compare with Germany where the whole country, from youth to national team plays broadly the same way. That'll never happen in England.

Dyke pays lip service to the problem with his stupid B league suggestion but can you really see Pulis and Allerdyce structuring their development and tactics the same way Rogers and Wenger will? Won't happen. As said above they'll all bloat their numbers with promising youngsters then spit the majority out at 21ish for what's left of the starving lower leagues to feed on.

The EPL is no good for anyone but armchair fans and shareholders.

Spot on X.

Pete H · Jul 26, 2014

They will be due around £30,000.[/quote]

That I believe is peanuts for what that boy potentially worth !

With boys off to the Milk Cup in Ireland today you can expect more Premier League Vultures to be hovering overhead and not just for our boys either. You have to remember who thought up this "rip off plan" to steal the best talent from the lower leagues, and you can bet it wasn't Kevin Hodges and his counterparts at the other league 1 and 2 clubs !

As for Southampton taking over an entire development centres, I would like to know what Argyle did in stop this happening.
Pete

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