what a horrible website!Graham Clark":35vc0okq said:In case anyone missed it James Brent's interview with the WMN today (see below)
http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Big ... story.html
what a horrible website!Graham Clark":35vc0okq said:In case anyone missed it James Brent's interview with the WMN today (see below)
http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Big ... story.html
IJN":7oo2wv83 said:Sitting in the Ricoh was interesting.
Baby Face Johnson said:To be fair Ian, no-one is realistically expecting a 32000 capacity seated stadium, in the here and now, most would settle for something in the low 20s with the possibility of sensible future expansion.
However, that said, Swansea have still not begun work on their stadium expansion, despite this being their fourth season in the Premiership and having established themselves there far more than they could have possibly hoped for, hence this 'expand when we get there' argument is not necessarily always as straight-forward as it might seem.[/quote]
Particularly if expansion is impossible. Hence my relief that the original HHP botch job plan has gone up the spout and hence my hope that the revised plan will either provide a realistic and ambitious capacity for higher division football 20 - 23k or at the very least room to expand the grandstand to make this a possibility
memory man":13qwpu0f said:2004-05 3 x 20,000 plus crowds. Leeds 20555 on a Tuesday night and West Ham 20220 on a Saturday. In the Third Round of the FA Cup we had Everton who stood 4th in the Premier League, 5 points clear of Liverpool in 5th place. We could only attract 20112. Since then there has been just one 20000 plus crowd, in 2006-07 for the Watford 6th round FA Cup tie. The average crowds for the most recent championship seasons were 16419, 13776, 13011, 13000, 11533 and 10314. I know the capacity was cut to 18500 at some stage but even that looks plenty in this day and age. The two Manchester clubs and perhaps Spurs and Liverpool would attract large crowds for a home cup tie, but if you balance the extra receipts against building costs then it is a no brainer to go for something affordable that suits us every week and not just once in a while. The days of 20000+ week in week out are gone.
Baby Face Johnson":39niglal said:To be fair Ian, no-one is realistically expecting a 32000 capacity seated stadium, in the here and now, most would settle for something in the low 20s with the possibility of sensible future expansion.
However, that said, Swansea have still not begun work on their stadium expansion, despite this being their fourth season in the Premiership and having established themselves there far more than they could have possibly hoped for, hence this 'expand when we get there' argument is not necessarily always as straight-forward as it might seem.
IJN":2ml72wz0 said:Baby Face Johnson":2ml72wz0 said:To be fair Ian, no-one is realistically expecting a 32000 capacity seated stadium, in the here and now, most would settle for something in the low 20s with the possibility of sensible future expansion.
However, that said, Swansea have still not begun work on their stadium expansion, despite this being their fourth season in the Premiership and having established themselves there far more than they could have possibly hoped for, hence this 'expand when we get there' argument is not necessarily always as straight-forward as it might seem.
Thankfully BFJ, the Grandstand now seems to be outside JB's remit (as he is the tenant of PCC) so I can now argue without being encumbered by the rabid 'Oh you're Brent's mate' brigade.
I'm not for one minute saying that anyone would suggest 32,000, but what I am saying is a completed 22,000 stadium with 7,000 crowds in it will still be a less than perfect scenario.
Perhaps a 17,000 with two corners not filled in (as an example) would be a better option, so the vast acreage of empty green seats wouldn't be a problem like a lot of these (more than) half empty stadia present at the moment.
I haven't checked my facts or have any knowledge but I would have thought Bournemouth's stadium is rammed at the moment with a smaller capacity than certainly the Ricoh is.
I know it's a problem and I agree with Patrick that we need to future proof the ground, but the interim period would be awful. Not quite as awful as it is at the moment, but awful none the less.
You make a very good point, one that is difficult to argue with. Indeed, I would be as pleased as the next man to be proved wrong. Perhaps I just cannot get away from the historical facts, most specifically the lack of decent support towards the end of 1961-62 campaign when we were winning almost every week and were third in what is now the championship. Nationally more people were inclined to go to games then than do now and yet we still could not get the people through the turnstile.Greenskin":1mli2xxp said:memory man":1mli2xxp said:2004-05 3 x 20,000 plus crowds. Leeds 20555 on a Tuesday night and West Ham 20220 on a Saturday. In the Third Round of the FA Cup we had Everton who stood 4th in the Premier League, 5 points clear of Liverpool in 5th place. We could only attract 20112. Since then there has been just one 20000 plus crowd, in 2006-07 for the Watford 6th round FA Cup tie. The average crowds for the most recent championship seasons were 16419, 13776, 13011, 13000, 11533 and 10314. I know the capacity was cut to 18500 at some stage but even that looks plenty in this day and age. The two Manchester clubs and perhaps Spurs and Liverpool would attract large crowds for a home cup tie, but if you balance the extra receipts against building costs then it is a no brainer to go for something affordable that suits us every week and not just once in a while. The days of 20000+ week in week out are gone.
They certainly aren't gone at clubs like Cardiff, Hull or Swansea and they wouldn't be gone at Home park should Argyle enjoy the same level of success as those clubs, who without exception started out from fanbases similar to or worse than Argyle's current one.