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 Post subject: SSD HD's
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:44 pm 
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Just purchased, installed and running a 60gb Solid state HDD. Wow, what a difference. WIn 7 boots in approx 8.5 seconds :shock: . Everything I do now is almost instant. I can't see me going back to mechanical drives after this.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:10 pm 
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Do you use it conjunction with a normal one?

My music collection alone comes to 60gb so I doubt I'll be able to make the plunge any time soon.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:35 pm 
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Tavypilgrim wrote:
Do you use it conjunction with a normal one?

My music collection alone comes to 60gb so I doubt I'll be able to make the plunge any time soon.


I just keep the operating system on the SSD. I use the drive I replaced now as a primary back up device. After reading about installing SSD's apparently it's very easy to use both drives in conjunction with each other.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:35 pm 

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I am a bit of a latecomer to this discussion... (Only just found the Computer and IT forum in its new location!)

I thought I'd share my experiences of SSD drives, as some people may find it useful. TBH most people will probably find this post incredibly dull! However, I certainly would have approached the whole thing differently if I knew what I know now about 60GB SSD drives!

SSD drives are indeed awesome - however, a couple of things worth considering before you take the plunge:

1) 60GB may seem a lot, but if you're running Windows 7 it's really not. I have been running 2 almost identical machines, both booting Windows 7 Ultimate from 60GB SSD drives, for about 18 months / 2 years. In both machines the SSD drive is a system drive, used only for the operating system and the Program Files for some (but by no means all) of the installed software. In both cases, the system was drive effectively full - 55GB used on one, 58GB on the other - after 18 months.

The main culprits were the Windows 7 system files (~20GB), 18 months of Windows Updates (12GB), Application Data (11GB), a 5GB page file, plus the storage the operating system assigns for users' files (Documents, Downloads, etc).

This is all manageable and default locations can easily be pointed to another local drive. But that requires some configuration, and you have to have a bit of know-how to get it all working nicely (especially if your 2nd drive is encrypted - see below...).

I find that I now need to think carefully about where I save things / download things / install programs / etc. You can't just accept the defaults without thinking about it. If I was starting again then, during or straight after installing Windows, I'd configure the default locations for the Users folders, Program Files, downloads, Windows Updates, change the environment variables for the system- and users- temp folders, etc... all to point at somewhere other than the SSD drive. It's a pain doing it all retrospectively, but you don't have a choice if you get to the stage where there's no room left on your system drive!

2) My work has a policy that all machines must use drive level encryption. However, this is a really bad idea when using a SSD drive. There is a long and dull explanation about why you shouldn't encrypt an SSD drive (if anyone's interested, Google "wear leveling"). It dramatically reduces the lifespan of the drive. Both of my SSD drives are now on the way out. I am getting frequent blue-screens and boot errors.

Also - because my 2nd (non-SSD) hard drive also has to be encrypted at drive level, it requires the user to enter a password before the files are accessible. That means, when the system boots, the operating system can't see the second drive and consequently any programs installed on it are unavailable until you enter the password. Which isn't too bad until you find you have programs installed on the SSD drive which run at start-up, trying to access data on the second drive, which effectively isn't there...

It's a monumental pain in the ar5e.

I suppose the easy solution to most of my issues would be to buy an SSD drive that's big enough to hold everything. However, at about £1 per GB, that ain't cheap! (It's about 10 x more expensive that a traditional HDD if you're looking at 500GB - 1TB.) And you still can't encrypt it.

If you do plan to run a configuration where you have a (smallish) SSD system drive and a 2nd drive for storage, it's well worth spending a few minutes thinking about how it's all going to work in, advance of installing Windows. A bit of up-front planning will potentially save you a lot of hassle 2 years down the line.

All that said; the performance benefits of SSD are incredible. Despite my problems, I won't be going back. When my SSDs eventually die (which will probably happen quite soon), I will definitely be buying similar (although bigger) replacements.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:01 pm 
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Good read, Jon, Thanks.

The SSD in my original post was a duff - it lasted about 10 days. Sent it back and got a Crucial M4 128Gb SSD as a replacement. This drive has been working flawlessly since.

I noted in your post about your 60Gb drive filling up fast. This seems to be a general concern with people who migrate from mechanical to SSD drives. I picked up a few good pointers from the Crucial forums on how to claim a huge chunk of drive space back.

Delete pagefile - 8Gb
Delete Hibernation file - 12Gb
Disable Superfetch
Disable indexing
Disable restore points (for all drives) - 6Gb
Delete/edit space reserved for the recycle bin (for all installed drives), in my case, I have four internal drives and 6 external HDD's - 7Gb.

As you say in your post, changing the installation directory is a little bit fiddly but definitely worth it.

I have windows 7 installed, all the major updates and app data and have only used 17Gb. I'm seriously thinking of getting rid of all of my internal HDDS and replacing them with SSD's in a raid configuration.

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