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 Post subject: Re: Joe Mason available for loan
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:14 am 

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LeonTheGreen wrote:
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Don't get your logic Pilgrim. Players we have never heard of are likely to be young, hungry players on loan desperate to prove themselves at L1 level. Would rather that than Mason who, being honest, has never really pulled up any trees at a higher level, given the opportunity. I personally would rather have two Callum Dyson types, than one Joe Mason.


Fair point, personally I'd rather have one Mason (local boy returning to his home club with a point to prove) than take the chance on 2 unknown loan players. For every Joe Bryan/Craig Tanner/Hiram Boateng (1st time) we've had there have probably been 2 Kenny Cooper/Garita/Nardiello who have taken up wages and not actually done anything.
I think you may be thinking more in line with Derek Adams though and I'd expect us to get in a couple of younger players.


He said about young hungry players with a point to prove.. 2 of the 3 that didn't work out that you just named were both players with experience. I would also argue that Garita was pretty decent until his injury, and just wasn't the same player after. I'm struggling to think of one young loanee we've had over recent years who hasn't made an impact, apart from Luke Croll, who had a lot of family issues at the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Mason available for loan
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:31 am 

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Argy1e wrote:
LeonTheGreen wrote:
The-Pilgrim wrote:
lyndhurst green wrote:
Don't get your logic Pilgrim. Players we have never heard of are likely to be young, hungry players on loan desperate to prove themselves at L1 level. Would rather that than Mason who, being honest, has never really pulled up any trees at a higher level, given the opportunity. I personally would rather have two Callum Dyson types, than one Joe Mason.


Fair point, personally I'd rather have one Mason (local boy returning to his home club with a point to prove) than take the chance on 2 unknown loan players. For every Joe Bryan/Craig Tanner/Hiram Boateng (1st time) we've had there have probably been 2 Kenny Cooper/Garita/Nardiello who have taken up wages and not actually done anything.
I think you may be thinking more in line with Derek Adams though and I'd expect us to get in a couple of younger players.


He said about young hungry players with a point to prove.. 2 of the 3 that didn't work out that you just named were both players with experience. I would also argue that Garita was pretty decent until his injury, and just wasn't the same player after. I'm struggling to think of one young loanee we've had over recent years who hasn't made an impact, apart from Luke Croll, who had a lot of family issues at the time.

Tom Flanagan


Yep good one that, I'd put Enoch Showunmi, Johnny Gorman (remember him?!), and Craig Sutherland in there too as failing to make an impact, in fact even failing to remember that they ever even played here. There are also many, many others you could list as simply failing


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 Post subject: Re: Joe Mason available for loan
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:11 am 
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Rob_GT4 wrote:
Argy1e wrote:
LeonTheGreen wrote:
The-Pilgrim wrote:
lyndhurst green wrote:
Don't get your logic Pilgrim. Players we have never heard of are likely to be young, hungry players on loan desperate to prove themselves at L1 level. Would rather that than Mason who, being honest, has never really pulled up any trees at a higher level, given the opportunity. I personally would rather have two Callum Dyson types, than one Joe Mason.


Fair point, personally I'd rather have one Mason (local boy returning to his home club with a point to prove) than take the chance on 2 unknown loan players. For every Joe Bryan/Craig Tanner/Hiram Boateng (1st time) we've had there have probably been 2 Kenny Cooper/Garita/Nardiello who have taken up wages and not actually done anything.
I think you may be thinking more in line with Derek Adams though and I'd expect us to get in a couple of younger players.


He said about young hungry players with a point to prove.. 2 of the 3 that didn't work out that you just named were both players with experience. I would also argue that Garita was pretty decent until his injury, and just wasn't the same player after. I'm struggling to think of one young loanee we've had over recent years who hasn't made an impact, apart from Luke Croll, who had a lot of family issues at the time.

Tom Flanagan


Yep good one that, I'd put Enoch Showunmi, Johnny Gorman (remember him?!), and Craig Sutherland in there too as failing to make an impact, in fact even failing to remember that they ever even played here. There are also many, many others you could list as simply failing


And Cillian Sheridan, now playing overseas.


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 Post subject: Re: Joe Mason available for loan
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:26 am 

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Isn't is only fair that we limit the list of failures to those within DA's tenure? Seeing as the question was whether to pursue Mason or one or two younger loan players, think you need to assess this against DA's scouting knowledge and coaching abilities. Not really fair to point out that Cillian Sheridan failing when on loan in 2010 is the reason we shouldn't pursue a loan signing now!


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:28 am 

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Joe Mason not in Wolves squad yesterday.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:19 pm 

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Nope .


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:29 pm 

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Rob_GT4 wrote:
Argy1e wrote:
LeonTheGreen wrote:
The-Pilgrim wrote:
lyndhurst green wrote:
Don't get your logic Pilgrim. Players we have never heard of are likely to be young, hungry players on loan desperate to prove themselves at L1 level. Would rather that than Mason who, being honest, has never really pulled up any trees at a higher level, given the opportunity. I personally would rather have two Callum Dyson types, than one Joe Mason.


Fair point, personally I'd rather have one Mason (local boy returning to his home club with a point to prove) than take the chance on 2 unknown loan players. For every Joe Bryan/Craig Tanner/Hiram Boateng (1st time) we've had there have probably been 2 Kenny Cooper/Garita/Nardiello who have taken up wages and not actually done anything.
I think you may be thinking more in line with Derek Adams though and I'd expect us to get in a couple of younger players.


He said about young hungry players with a point to prove.. 2 of the 3 that didn't work out that you just named were both players with experience. I would also argue that Garita was pretty decent until his injury, and just wasn't the same player after. I'm struggling to think of one young loanee we've had over recent years who hasn't made an impact, apart from Luke Croll, who had a lot of family issues at the time.

Tom Flanagan


Yep good one that, I'd put Enoch Showunmi, Johnny Gorman (remember him?!), and Craig Sutherland in there too as failing to make an impact, in fact even failing to remember that they ever even played here. There are also many, many others you could list as simply failing


Do you mean Tom Hitchcock?


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 Post subject: Re: Joe Mason available for loan
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:17 am 

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We had Tom Flanagan, a defender, on loan in 2015, played 4 times. Now at Burton.

Tom Hitchcock, a striker, played 8 times for us in 2011. Didn't score. Now at Boreham Wood.

Neither of them were anything to do with DA though!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:54 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:03 pm 

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Burton? BURTON??!! Bleddy hell. :facepalm:

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Mason available for loan
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:23 pm 

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Burton? BURTON??!! Bleddy hell. :facepalm:


Nothing unattractive about that. Championship, very central for away days travelling and training is at St.George's Park.


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 Post subject: Re: Joe Mason available for loan
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:47 pm 

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Lundan Cabbie wrote:
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Burton? BURTON??!! Bleddy hell. :facepalm:


Nothing unattractive about that. Championship, very central for away days travelling and training is at St.George's Park.


And the chance to learn a few things about being a number 10 from Nigel Clough


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