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Re: How far we have come......

Posted: 12:08 02 Jul 2017
by Lundan Cabbie
Bermudian Green wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Jesus wept, talk about self assessed self righteousness. Pictures are coming into mind of a halo shimmering in the Crawley evening haze and a school of acolytes feverishly awaiting every word of the supreme guru. No wonder people get hacked off with you, never even the slightest acknowledgement that there may be a possibility that you may be wrong which long term observers of PASOTI and elsewhere know is not actually the case.


Football being the way it is these days I can't see how we'll ever get to be a sustainable Championship club. That's not a bash at Brent at all, but I just don't see it. More a sad inditement on the state of English football.


I can't agree with that. There are still plenty of clubs who are punching above their weight. Palace, Bournemouth, Brighton, Huddersfield. Burnley, Watford, Brentford, Burton and quite a few others. Argyle having got back to their historical level should only be the first step. You have to believe.

Re: How far we have come......

Posted: 12:31 02 Jul 2017
by X Isle
Greenskin wrote:
X Isle wrote:
X Isle wrote: OK, for shits and giggles, name three.

:tumbleweed:

As I thought, nothing:

I'll be turning in now, so if you think of anything I'll fend it off with my trusty fruit knife in the morning.

Better still, rather than diverting another thread with what you think about me and not the topic under discussion then maybe start a thread on terraces. Then all of you can have a good old moan up without bothering anyone else. I have very thick skin


You thought wrong then, as per usual. Here's a few gems just to be starting with:

1.A complete failure to understand why the public of Plymouth are so apathetic towards the club, using pseudo eugenics to explain the reasons rather than stating the obvious of long term fanbases being cemented by consistent on field success.

2.Bradley Wright Phillips character flaws which apparently were always going to stop him being successful at Argyle or elsewhere.

3.The consistent touting of Rory Fallon as a championship standard player when it was obvious to anyone with unblinkered eyes that this was not so.

There would be others in the distant past such as your craven support for the sale of our best players, particularly in 2007,but a rather more topical one would be your support for Nathan Jones over Derek Adams as manager, when results would suggest that the former has achieved less with more than the latter.

There you are.Dissemble away.

Righto, fruit knife unsheathed :thumbup:

1) I stand by my views on the apathetic Janner, thus can't consider myself wrong. Success would've helped the football club but there is a wider defeatist 'meh' attitude that goes beyond the football club. Argyle aren't responsible for that and to deny it is to bury your head in the sand.

2) Misquote. I didn't like Bradley Wright-Phillips before he came, I didn't want someone who consorted with low level thieves and turned a blind eye to their thievery representing our club. I said absolutely nothing about his ability as a footballer before he arrived. I observed talent once he played for us but also a lazy and selfish attitude to work rate commensurate with my feelings before he arrived. That just reinforced my earlier correct opinion of the man.

3) Again I stand by that. Fan 'experts' had their opinions but when opposition managers and players single his 'nuisance value' out for praise I noted their greater degree of expertise because their opinion matched my 'unblinkered' eyes too. It didn't match the 'blinkered' eyes of those who just rate a striker on goals per game, but he wasn't there primarily to do that in our formation at that time. Again I wasn't wrong, I see all the more binary viewers of what Fallon brought to the table as being wrong.

Selling players? Had to be done to get the HMRC share of the debt down below the threshold over which they would have appointed their own administrator. It opened the door to Brendan Guilfoyle but he and Ridsdale had a reason to want Argyle to stay in business, HMRC did not. They were at that time itching to close a club down and I feel confident it would have been us. Shabby though the eventual resolution was for all the businesses, charities and individuals concerned with their tiny pence in the pound deal was, we would have been history now, or working our way back up from non-league had we not got that debt down to below the threshold. Again, I am right in that regard.

Nathan Jones? A great prospect as a manager at that time, born out by his improvement of Luton who will I am sure improve further next season, just as Argyle did in Adams' second season. I am pleased with hindsight to see that the 'noises off' about Derek Adams demeanour and attitude were wrong but I do not consider myself wrong to have wanted Nathan Jones at that time, with the facts before us at the time. He would have been an excellent appointment.

Feel free to bring on more...

But even if you take those five examples as being evidence of my wrongness (and I don't consider them so, their just differences of opinion, you think I was wrong, I think the opposite view is wrong) that's five instances in over ten years plus on this site. One wrong opinion (not) every two years, not a bad average if they were wrong...which they weren't :wink:

MODS - please feel free to strip this beef with my posting history onto a new thread on terraces. It was not instigated by myself but I will defend myself and suspect it will rumble on. None of it has anything to do with 'How far Argyle has come', just a small number of bitter and resentful individuals having their pop.

Re: How far we have come......

Posted: 13:35 02 Jul 2017
by Greenskin
X Isle wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
X Isle wrote:
X Isle wrote: OK, for shits and giggles, name three.

:tumbleweed:

As I thought, nothing:

I'll be turning in now, so if you think of anything I'll fend it off with my trusty fruit knife in the morning.

Better still, rather than diverting another thread with what you think about me and not the topic under discussion then maybe start a thread on terraces. Then all of you can have a good old moan up without bothering anyone else. I have very thick skin


You thought wrong then, as per usual. Here's a few gems just to be starting with:

1.A complete failure to understand why the public of Plymouth are so apathetic towards the club, using pseudo eugenics to explain the reasons rather than stating the obvious of long term fanbases being cemented by consistent on field success.

2.Bradley Wright Phillips character flaws which apparently were always going to stop him being successful at Argyle or elsewhere.

3.The consistent touting of Rory Fallon as a championship standard player when it was obvious to anyone with unblinkered eyes that this was not so.

There would be others in the distant past such as your craven support for the sale of our best players, particularly in 2007,but a rather more topical one would be your support for Nathan Jones over Derek Adams as manager, when results would suggest that the former has achieved less with more than the latter.

There you are.Dissemble away.

Righto, fruit knife unsheathed :thumbup:

1) I stand by my views on the apathetic Janner, thus can't consider myself wrong. Success would've helped the football club but there is a wider defeatist 'meh' attitude that goes beyond the football club. Argyle aren't responsible for that and to deny it is to bury your head in the sand.

2) Misquote. I didn't like Bradley Wright-Phillips before he came, I didn't want someone who consorted with low level thieves and turned a blind eye to their thievery representing our club. I said absolutely nothing about his ability as a footballer before he arrived. I observed talent once he played for us but also a lazy and selfish attitude to work rate commensurate with my feelings before he arrived. That just reinforced my earlier correct opinion of the man.

3) Again I stand by that. Fan 'experts' had their opinions but when opposition managers and players single his 'nuisance value' out for praise I noted their greater degree of expertise because their opinion matched my 'unblinkered' eyes too. It didn't match the 'blinkered' eyes of those who just rate a striker on goals per game, but he wasn't there primarily to do that in our formation at that time. Again I wasn't wrong, I see all the more binary viewers of what Fallon brought to the table as being wrong.

Selling players? Had to be done to get the HMRC share of the debt down below the threshold over which they would have appointed their own administrator. It opened the door to Brendan Guilfoyle but he and Ridsdale had a reason to want Argyle to stay in business, HMRC did not. They were at that time itching to close a club down and I feel confident it would have been us. Shabby though the eventual resolution was for all the businesses, charities and individuals concerned with their tiny pence in the pound deal was, we would have been history now, or working our way back up from non-league had we not got that debt down to below the threshold. Again, I am right in that regard.

Nathan Jones? A great prospect as a manager at that time, born out by his improvement of Luton who will I am sure improve further next season, just as Argyle did in Adams' second season. I am pleased with hindsight to see that the 'noises off' about Derek Adams demeanour and attitude were wrong but I do not consider myself wrong to have wanted Nathan Jones at that time, with the facts before us at the time. He would have been an excellent appointment.

Feel free to bring on more...

But even if you take those five examples as being evidence of my wrongness (and I don't consider them so, their just differences of opinion, you think I was wrong, I think the opposite view is wrong) that's five instances in over ten years plus on this site. One wrong opinion (not) every two years, not a bad average if they were wrong...which they weren't :wink:

MODS - please feel free to strip this beef with my posting history onto a new thread on terraces. It was not instigated by myself but I will defend myself and suspect it will rumble on. None of it has anything to do with 'How far Argyle has come', just a small number of bitter and resentful individuals having their pop.


As I said, dissemble away. No further comment.

Re: How far we have come......

Posted: 14:21 02 Jul 2017
by X Isle
Disassemble, not dissemble :wink: ...and I did.

Good, diversion closed.

Re: How far we have come......

Posted: 14:59 02 Jul 2017
by Knibbsworth
X Isle wrote: :tumbleweed:

As I thought, nothing:

I'll be turning in now, so if you think of anything I'll fend it off with my trusty fruit knife in the morning.

Better still, rather than diverting another thread with what you think about me and not the topic under discussion then maybe start a thread on terraces. Then all of you can have a good old moan up without bothering anyone else. I have very thick skin


Well you asked for three times where you rammed your opinion down other people's throats and were wrong, and Greenskin gave you some.

I seem to remember you wanting Conor Hourihane out of the club for his tackle at Stourbridge. You identified him as some kind of brattish thug who was mentally unhinged, a Barton style stain on the club.

Alan Gow and Bradley Wright Phillips had awful body language and didn't want to be here, we shouldn't have ever let them play in a green shirt. The fact that one of them went on to become the division's top scorer didn't seem to dent your ego. You have a few times drawn your conclusions on a player by his body language in the press conference.

Derek Adams was a volatile personality to bring into the club, we needed to build our club around the bright and ambitious Nathan Jones. Nothing but assumptions and uninformed gut feeling about two characters you've never met (or interviewed), but you wrote about 50 long winded posts on that subject.

Anyone is entitled to an opinion, but your ego jumps out of the screen on these forums. Your posting style grates because you don't seem to accept that your opinion is just one of many out there. You treat your own opinion as wisdom that others ought to be grateful to receive. If anyone isn't convinced, you follow up an opinion with loads more explaining why you're right and everyone else is wrong.

Please don't be surprised that a few out there might think you're a bit of a turnip and not this exceptionally wise and intelligent sage you seem to consider yourself. You certainly aren't right with these conclusions (that you are happy to draw on minimal evidence) as often as you like to make out.

Re: X Isle v.... (various)

Posted: 17:26 02 Jul 2017
by X Isle
No, I asked for three examples of where I had been wrong. I saw none.

I'll run through yours...

Hourihane. Just like BWP, I don't want my club associated with nasty individuals. That moment at Dorchester (it wasn't Stourbridge, there's nowt wrong with MY memory :wink:) belied a character weakness. He should've been sent off before that reckless and dangerous tackle anyway, he was properly 'on one' that day. That was bad enough but there being cameras in the dressing room we were shown his reaction. It was petulant, immature and a poor reflection on our club by extension. Waving his arms about and screaming injustice down the phone to someone, i'd have let him go I were running things, it was a nailed on sending off and he should've been showing embarrassment and/or remorse.

Good job I wasn't in charge because with hindsight that moment made him a better person. Someone either put an arm round him or slapped him round the back of the head because from that moment on he was a model professional. Credit I gave him. Does that 180 degree attitude adjustment mean I was wrong to call him out as unprofessional?, as something we didn't need?, not in my book. Who knows maybe the fan reaction, I was by NO means the only one, went some way to making him see how stupid he looked.

While we're on the subject of unlikable characters I will preemptively rebut Luke before it gets batted back unfairly. Luke was an otherwise decent individual who did an unfathomably stupid thing with the most serious of consequences and I accept and support the concept of rehabilitation. He admitted his involvement and his remorse and he did his time. To me that hat puts him above your BWP's who just did everything to wriggle off the hook and showed no regrets for his actions (or in-actions) in that bar.

Gow. Another bad character, see Hourihane and BWP for my views on those sorts. You can add in Songo'o at the moment for his obfuscation over his motoring offences. What am I guilty of then, not liking bad characters?...y'got me there, guilty. And are you seriously going to try and tell me I was wrong about Alan Gow?, the bad apple in that squad? Not a chance :lol:

Adams. Done, see the disassembling of Greenskin.

So that's those responded to, got any more?, anyone else wanna have a try?

One thing I will agree with you..."anyone is entitled to an opinion". I express mine, others express theirs, I may agree with them, I may disagree with them, they may agree with me, they may disagree with me. If I feel strongly enough about any given subject I will follow up on it, push my POV. Did I not get the memo that said that was forbidden?, is there a limit on how many posts one should make on a subject that I am unaware of?

My 'usual suspects' as I describe them just seem to have a problem with grasping the concept of discussion, crucially discussion with passion, discussion with a bit of articulation. Because I come back at them, because I will challenge them they seem to take umbrage with me personally. Is it my fault they turn up to a battle of wits unarmed? The point stops being attacked and the attack turns to the man. I don't know whether it's a lack of articulation, a lack of patience or what, but that to me has always been the mark of an argument won.

The words 'ego', 'arrogant', 'self regarding' and 'vanity' always come up. Well to me every man should stand up for what he believes in, he should be confident, self assured and stand by his principles. That can easily come over as arrogant to those who perhaps lack that self assurance themselves perhaps. But i'm not about to sit here and apologise for that.

I don't profess to be an "exceptionally wise and intelligent sage". I just post my opinions on here just the same as any other poster. I might do it in a different style, with a bit more passion sometimes, with a lot more words often, but it's exactly the same thing. My posts have always been Marmite, you nod or you make a w*nker sign at the screen. Fair enough, either is fine, I seek neither and are influenced by neither. Because despite what you might think, i'm not the slightest bit bothered by what you think of me, good or bad. I post to express my point, nothing more. I always post what I think is right and I will have always considered that thought first. That is why I am right so often, and very rarely wrong. You may have different opinions, fine, express them just the same as I do.

But if my posts annoy you, irritate you, aggravate you or make your blood boil it is very simple...block me or 'foe' me or whatever it is, you need never see one again.

But I ain't stopping and I ain't changing.

And before the inevitable 'vanity post' thing comes up, remember who started all this.

PS - Thanks Mods, a better place for this unnecessary diversion of guff.

Re: X Isle v.... (various)

Posted: 20:04 02 Jul 2017
by Electronic
I stopped reading X-Isle's posts a long time ago, which is the best way to deal with an egomaniac. People like him never change and so must be ignored.

Re: X Isle v.... (various)

Posted: 21:14 02 Jul 2017
by The Grumpy Loyal
Xisle won't ever change. He's been the same for 20 years.

Even on the dozens of occasions over the years when he's had his arse handed to him ( as Greenskin did yet again) there is an inbuilt refusal to accept he could ever be wrong about anything. You'd think that as he grew up he may have changed, but the latest "name three things I've ever got wrong" is so hilariously conceited, it sums him up quite perfectly.

It's a character trait that couldn't be more unappealing, and sadly for him the fella has it in spades.

Re: X Isle v.... (various)

Posted: 22:15 02 Jul 2017
by Verte
Why have I been corralled into this mire?

Re: X Isle v.... (various)

Posted: 22:20 02 Jul 2017
by IJN
I have as well mate. Sometimes posts sort of overlap.

Re: X Isle v.... (various)

Posted: 22:21 02 Jul 2017
by Verte
Oh well let's have a brew mate, do you take sugar?

Re: X Isle v.... (various)

Posted: 22:32 02 Jul 2017
by Verte
X-Isle I haven't had a pop at you. You would know if I did as I'm old school - i will address you directly and start a full and frank exchange of views :)

Re: X Isle v.... (various)

Posted: 12:07 03 Jul 2017
by Adam_R
you're own thread! congrats!! you made it! :lol: