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Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 07:16 23 Jun 2019
by Martyn
up_the_line wrote: Johnson
- said Muslim women are 'letterboxes'
- said Black people are 'Picanninies' with 'watermelon smiles'
- published a poem in the Spectator calling the Scottish a 'verminous race' who should be exterminated
- said Liverpudlians 'wallow in victim status' over the murder of Ken Bigley and the Hillsborough disaster
- recites colonial era poetry whilst visiting former colonies
- Offends Sikhs by suggesting they sell whisky (they don't drink alcohol)
- publicly called the Turkish prime minister a w&nk3r
- wrote that the problem with Africa is that 'we aren't in charge anymore'
- writes 2 contradictory articles ref brexit
- lies repeatedly to his editors at various papers leading to more than one sacking
- gets into late night slanging matches with his missus that you'd sneer at if they happened in Moss Side or Toxteth
- agreed to give a friend the address of a journalist so that they could inflict GBH on that journalist
- erroneously said Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe – still detained in Iran – was training journalists in the region. She was arrested and imprisoned as a result
- said that investigations into historic child abuse cases were a waste of police time and were 'spaffing money up the wall'
- made disgusting comments about dead bodies on the beach in Libya preventing it being the next Dubai
- complained that the transition from Blair to Brown was undemocratic but yet is going to be made prime minister in the same circumstances

But hey, at least democracy under the strong, stable Tories is alive and kicking with a second prime minister in a row chosen by less than 160, 000 people out of 60 million.

'but, but, but CORBYN! Eem a communist'


For once, I totally agree with you.

But your points make one big question.

In Tories eyes, he may be the one to get the UK out of the EU, (that is all the Tories care about).
BUT a big but, is he the best PM ? Absolutely NOT.

What is going to do about Austerity, NHS, Universal credit, the poor in our society, the homeless on the streets., cutting of finances to Councils, police, Fire brigade, the breakup of the UK, when Brexit comes, etc, etc, etc.

What is going to do, we haven’t heard a thing, as surprise, surprise, he is being kept away from the wider public.

What a sorry state, when he is hidden from the people he will be a PM to, and only available to the 104,000 Tories

Unbelievable state of affairs.

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 08:19 23 Jun 2019
by up_the_line
Martyn wrote:
up_the_line wrote: Johnson
- said Muslim women are 'letterboxes'
- said Black people are 'Picanninies' with 'watermelon smiles'
- published a poem in the Spectator calling the Scottish a 'verminous race' who should be exterminated
- said Liverpudlians 'wallow in victim status' over the murder of Ken Bigley and the Hillsborough disaster
- recites colonial era poetry whilst visiting former colonies
- Offends Sikhs by suggesting they sell whisky (they don't drink alcohol)
- publicly called the Turkish prime minister a w&nk3r
- wrote that the problem with Africa is that 'we aren't in charge anymore'
- writes 2 contradictory articles ref brexit
- lies repeatedly to his editors at various papers leading to more than one sacking
- gets into late night slanging matches with his missus that you'd sneer at if they happened in Moss Side or Toxteth
- agreed to give a friend the address of a journalist so that they could inflict GBH on that journalist
- erroneously said Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe – still detained in Iran – was training journalists in the region. She was arrested and imprisoned as a result
- said that investigations into historic child abuse cases were a waste of police time and were 'spaffing money up the wall'
- made disgusting comments about dead bodies on the beach in Libya preventing it being the next Dubai
- complained that the transition from Blair to Brown was undemocratic but yet is going to be made prime minister in the same circumstances

But hey, at least democracy under the strong, stable Tories is alive and kicking with a second prime minister in a row chosen by less than 160, 000 people out of 60 million.

'but, but, but CORBYN! Eem a communist'


For once, I totally agree with you.

But your points make one big question.

In Tories eyes, he may be the one to get the UK out of the EU, (that is all the Tories care about).
BUT a big but, is he the best PM ? Absolutely NOT.

What is going to do about Austerity, NHS, Universal credit, the poor in our society, the homeless on the streets., cutting of finances to Councils, police, Fire brigade, the breakup of the UK, when Brexit comes, etc, etc, etc.

What is going to do, we haven’t heard a thing, as surprise, surprise, he is being kept away from the wider public.

What a sorry state, when he is hidden from the people he will be a PM to, and only available to the 104,000 Tories

Unbelievable state of affairs.


This is new politics though.
In a dumbed down society, savvy politicians have learnt that large parts of the population don't care what your policies are so you don't have to even have any. Just fight your campaign on the big issue of the day and come up with a snappy slogan that can be chanted loudly and repeated ad infinitum to any question regardless. 'drain the swamp' 'strong and stable' 'leave means leave'.

Why not insist that any party entering a an election or any candidate bidding to lead a party has to complete a paragraph explaining their policies on each of the most important issues: health care, security, economy, climate, transport, immigration etc.

The only thing we have heard about Johnson's policies is further tax breaks for the super rich. The masses don't care though, Love Island is on.

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 10:54 25 Jun 2019
by Kentishgreen
Catch the interview by Nick Ferrari and Boris on LBC today and count the lies. BTW Ferrari is so right wing it’s unbelievable. Somewhere to the right of Rees-Mogg

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 13:31 25 Jun 2019
by Martyn
Kentishgreen wrote: Catch the interview by Nick Ferrari and Boris on LBC today and count the lies. BTW Ferrari is so right wing it’s unbelievable. Somewhere to the right of Rees-Mogg


Spot on, Ferrari gave him a bit of a grilling.

Also, when you analyse Johnson’s plans they are crap, on Brexit and everything, his is picking out the ‘best bits’, of mays deal, and trying to rewrite the rest. He has no chance.

What I can’t fathom, is how has he convinced the rest of the MP’s, over this. But I think this is a bigger picture, they are not worried about a deal, they will settled for a no deal. Boris doesn’t care if he gets a deal or not.

They are worried about Corbin, and that tosser Farage.

As they sense, that he is the only to beat them, as it is all about the survival of the Tory party in power. Nothing else matters to them, they don’t care about the state of the country, as to what a no deal with do to us. Because they are better off, thank you

According to them the Tory party comes first.

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 18:20 25 Jun 2019
by Mike E
I would actually like to seeJohnson get it, as it would more than likely trigger an exodus of centralist Tories to the Lib Dems, trigger a Genaral Election and split the far right vote beteeen The Brexit party and the right wing Tories, giving the Lib Dems more of a chance in the marginals.

End the Conservative party dominance and get Johnson out of the way once and for all.
Wishful thinking perhaps ?

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 08:11 26 Jun 2019
by Kentishgreen
It’s a shame he never made a model of a bus that actually works!

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 09:58 26 Jun 2019
by Pilgrim_Joe
Kentishgreen wrote: It’s a shame he never made a model of a bus that actually works!



Did the advertising on the side promise loads of money ..... £350M perhaps?

Or maybe my other vehicles a water cannon :coat:

:funny:

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 10:50 27 Jun 2019
by Ave_IT
As we are subjected to the fantasy Bull-s**t from Boris (and, to be fair from Hunt too) ….here’s a brief summary from the FT for those who may not be quite up to speed about ‘Article 24’ (my bold highlights)– this is what Johnson through ignorance or willful stupidity wanted to use in the event of a no deal. By the way – this is fact not opinion about Article 24.:-

The latest fantasy promulgated by some Brexit supporters, including Mr Johnson, is that the UK can invoke Article 24 of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (Gatt), the treaty underpinning the World Trade Organization. This, they say, would maintain an unchanged trading relationship with the EU even if the UK crashes out without a deal when the deadline expires on October 31.

There has been a lot of nonsense over the past three years, but this is a strong contender for the most absurd of all. As countless trade lawyers and other experts have patiently explained, a rarely-used provision of Article 24 allows two economies to maintain a preferential trading relationship between themselves while they are finalising and implementing a full trade deal. It is not an open-ended way of maintaining preferential long-term access to each other’s markets even before talks begin. It also requires both partners to agree to invoke it, and other member governments of the WTO can object. Moreover, the provision applies only to tariffs on goods. Services trade would still see a severe disruption, as would the UK leaving the EU’s regulatory regime for products including manufactures and food.

Whatever illusions Mr Johnson harbours that the EU will come round, it has repeatedly and rightly said it has no intention of entering into an interim Article 24 arrangement with the UK in case of a no-deal Brexit. Such an agreement would merely give Britain an excuse to flounder around endlessly trying to work out what kind of relationship it wants with the EU.

Liam Fox, the international trade secretary and a supporter of Mr Johnson’s opponent Jeremy Hunt, is himself prone to persistent over-optimism about trade negotiations. To his credit, however, he has attempted to quash the Article 24 idea. Yet Mr Johnson and his surrogates continue merrily to propagate the misleading suggestion. Not surprisingly, Mr Johnson is trying to avoid scrutiny during the campaign, ducking debates with other candidates and dodging contact with the press.

How much Mr Johnson genuinely believes his arguments and how much he is trying to gull the Conservative membership is unclear. In any case, it seems to be working. Most party members want to leave the EU in October with no deal if necessary, according to surveys. The UK government’s counterparts in Brussels have been watching the policy positions emerging from factional struggles within the Conservative party with rising incredulity. Mrs May crippled the talks from the start by announcing a series of unrealistic red lines. The Article 24 illusion is merely an extreme extension of that mentality. Mr Johnson is likely to win the leadership election and become prime minister. Assuming he manages to form a government, that is when reality will bite. He needs to have a plan ready to deal with the disappointment of his followers when it turns out they were sold policies under false pretences. A unilateral invocation of part of Article 24 is not a way out of the UK’s Brexit predicament. If Mr Johnson and his followers do not know that, they soon will.

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 15:24 28 Jun 2019
by MickyD
For a variety of reasons this could have appeared on several different Opinions threads; but anyway...

G20: feel the lurrrrrrrv...

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Too little too late, Treez.

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 11:49 04 Jul 2019
by Pilgrim_Joe
So one of the biggest concerns of the Tory membership is whether they have the right to prance around on horseback and kill foxes with a pack of dogs.

Utterly pathetic.

Looking at the recent hustings I doubt most of the octogenarians present could get on a horse, but lets preserve our "heritage"

Coming next - badger baiting, hare coursing and more appropriately cock fighting

Or are they too working-class?

Free university tuition for every person displaying a valid hunt membership with proof of 10 foxes killed will probably be next.

Before anyone says I'm not a townie and do live in the country

Huge epidemic of knife crime aided by large police cuts, carried out by the current PM. Filling the posts again will take years! I guess the smart policing tagline used for justification wasn't correct. 10,000 police officers is one hell of an error.

Tory values eh

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 12:32 04 Jul 2019
by Ave_IT
Yes Joe – incredible isn’t it? It’s like the chefs on the Titanic arguing with the captain about tomorrow’s menu while the passengers are screaming about that F***ing great Ice-Berg.

I was listening to Jeremy Hunt on the Today program driving to work this morning. I shouldn’t – I really shouldn’t….. I must have looked like a loon if anyone saw me shouting obscenities at the radio. Fox Hunting?? FFS!!!...... and then he couldn’t even bring himself to answer a simple question “Do you think Fox hunting is creul?” – although why he even raised the subject at this, of all times in our modern History, just proves what narrow-minded and absurd cult the Tory party has become.

Still – at least we’ve got a decent opposition ready to step in and take over :facepalm:

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 07:05 23 Jul 2019
by Martyn
What an embarrassing day for the country , bonking Boris, new PM

Good god, what have we done (actually not us, just a pathetic bunch of Tory voters).

This is worse than Trump as president.

Re: Next Tory Leader

Posted: 11:18 23 Jul 2019
by Ave_IT
Well we all knew this was coming – but it’s still absolutely shocking ………….

UN-F’CKIN-BELIEVABLE

I never thought I’d be embarrassed to be British ……. Then came Brexit and now THIS. :facepalm: