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Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 23:49 08 Jul 2018
by CJH
Since the Brexit issue started we have the first inkling of the governments thoughts of what Brexit actually means and to some extent the strength of the opposition within the Tory party. I leave it to better brains than me to decipher May's proposal, but my initial thoughts are that it is a compromise that could be acceptable to both camps.

Another thought that crossed my mind, could this be the bones of EU rev 1?.

CJH

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 05:11 09 Jul 2018
by evil_dave86
Do any of these Brexit leaders have a plan? Or would that require doing some work?

Much easier to snipe from the sidelines instead. Work shy prats

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 05:12 09 Jul 2018
by Martyn
It confirms that the Tory, are in a complete mess.

They are at loggerheads with themselves over Brexit, how can they, reach an agreement with the EU, when they can’t agree within themselves.

This is a ploy, to get May out, and get Boris in at No. 10 (god forbid).

But if May goes, it should NOT be a Tory leadership race, but a General Election, this is too important an issue, left to the Tory Brexiteers.

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 05:59 09 Jul 2018
by andyr1963
It is not just the Tories that are are complete mess. Both Conservative and Labour are deeply divided. It crosses both major political parties, leaving the UKIP and extremists, maybe the Liberal Democrats as constant remainers, as parties who know what they actually want.

Theresa May to demote herself to "Brexit Secretary" in a vain attempt to get the job done. :shock: :lol:

Interesting times indeed.

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 06:52 09 Jul 2018
by cheshiregreen
Gove being tipped for Brexit job.

Still we are due a General election- over a year without one. :)

The country is headed up that well known creek. No decent political leadership since ???? (add your opinion).

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 07:02 09 Jul 2018
by Martyn
The country is split down the middle of Brexit, the Tory is split down the middle, over this, the Labour Party is split over Brexit.

Remember it was a close call 52% to 48%, 17 million to 16 million, time for a big re-think.

I would think the EU, would be willing to negotiate on the things that matter to us, ie immigration, as Germany are also not happy, and stay in the EU, based on good trade.

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 08:02 09 Jul 2018
by Pogleswoody
Chief polisher resigns! :oops: Brexit agreement spins on it's lathe, unpolished!

Gove? Don't make me laugh! We've all been put through this due to politician's personal ambitions, Cameron + Osborne agin it so they can use the referendum to put the matter to bed for their political lifetimes (Epic fail!). Boris walking the tightrope up to two days before, happy to take any side or point of view as long as it was the winning one (what integrity!). Lib Dems could have taken a lead but Clegg , again, more interested in personal power than a good policy.
Corbyn has always been agin the EU having to pretend he was a Remainer.
Gove, sacked by May, (Hurrah a decisive action!) … how did he ever get back to where he is now?/

a mess, a complete mess.

I have no answers, don't move or you'll sink deeper into the qEUicksand.
I'll go for help!! ... maybe :think: :facepalm:

If DD has such integrity why didn't he leave Chequers in a mini-cab?? Anyone?? :think:

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 08:33 09 Jul 2018
by Quinny
This was always going to be a complete mess.

With the country - and the Tory party split over Europe, this was always going to go to turn to shyte. We have to have an agreement in two months or we leave with nothing, and not one part of the UK prepared for a No Brexit deal. The Govt (inc DD and BoJo) gambled that the EU would blink and make concessions favourable to us but they haven't and we look like a bunch of chumps. A bit of me has my head in my hands, another is happy this is falling apart just to show how awful Brexit is for the UK.

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 08:48 09 Jul 2018
by Quinny
I'm sure there are still some Brexiters who believe that everything is going swimmingly and we'll get exactly the same or better from Brexit, though.

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 10:32 09 Jul 2018
by Frank_Butcher
Surprisingly ;) Quinny, you forgot to mention that Labour are also split over Brexit - with even less of a substantive policy than the Tories (yes that is actually possible).

The next 48 hours are critical. If momentum against May's plan grows with resignations etc., then I predict a Tory leadership contest. The successor will likely come to the lectern with a promise to give the British people a vote on the final 'deal' as a sweetener being an unelected PM (there is no value or sense in a GE in my opinion). Either due to the lack of a 'deal' per se, or fear of what might happen, the public reject and we effectively 'Remain'.

The last 2.5 years are consigned to history.

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 10:39 09 Jul 2018
by Quinny
I'm not denying that Labour are split over Brexit, Frank, but they're not in Government ;)

I'm not sure there'll be a leadership challenge in the Tory party ... but as you rightly say, the next 48 hours is critical and if we've learned anything in this current Tory administration anything is possible (anything, that is, except Brexit). The 1922 Committee apparently have nearly enough letters to force a challenge, but it isn't quite clear how old some of those are, and they could be withdrawn by some narked Tories who don't want a change of leadership. Even if there are enough calls for a challenge, I'd have though those who favour a soft Brexit (the majority of the party) will rally around TM's flag: there isn't enough support amongst the ultras to make a realistic challenge.

That being said, I am intrigued by your suggestion that the people's vote would be offered as a sweetener by a prospective candidate....

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 11:00 09 Jul 2018
by Frank_Butcher
BTW I'm simply astounded that the Tories have managed to maintain a modest lead in most polls in the last few months. Even the generally Labour friendly Survation has shown that. I still think that's a reflection on the potential for Labour under Corbyn - if you couldn't force a lead now, when could you?

That said, Survation's most recent poll after Chequers shows a small swing to Labour. Just one poll but it will be interesting to track.

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 11:24 09 Jul 2018
by Pogleswoody
Frank_Butcher wrote: BTW I'm simply astounded that the Tories have managed to maintain a modest lead in most polls in the last few months. Even the generally Labour friendly Survation has shown that. I still think that's a reflection on the potential for Labour under Corbyn - if you couldn't force a lead now, when could you?

That said, Survation's most recent poll after Chequers shows a small swing to Labour. Just one poll but it will be interesting to track.



Where has Corbyn been today?? Harold Wilson (or his like) would have roasted her alive by now and sold tickets to tonight's BBQ.
'Opposition' Jezza, the clue is in the name!! :facepalm: