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Re: F1 2019

Posted: 07:41 15 May 2019
by GreenThing
The-Pilgrim wrote: I'd go as far as to say the season is over, its just a case of who will win the drivers and I'd be amazed if that wasn't Hamilton. Mercedes are too far ahead, BBC have an article online at the moment about can Mercedes win all 21 races - I can't see that happening but they'll be very close.

The rumour is that that was the last Spanish GP, whilst a shock I can't say I'd miss the race, I can't remember a 'classic' race from there in 20 or so years of watching F1. Bring on Zaandvort and the Verstappen army.


I’ve just watched an onboard lap of Max driving Zaandvort. The track is so narrow and all straights have wiggles in them. I can’t see any overtaking happening there.

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 10:55 23 May 2019
by MickyD
Shocking stat going into the Monaco GP weekend: Mercedes have more 1-2s this season that Ferrari have in the last decade.

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 12:49 24 May 2019
by The-Pilgrim
MickyD wrote: Shocking stat going into the Monaco GP weekend: Mercedes have more 1-2s this season that Ferrari have in the last decade.


That is quite amazing! I'll also be amazed if it isn't 6 1-2s after this weekend!

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 22:29 24 May 2019
by MickyD
It is shocking on first hearing (and it was to me too) but it makes more sense when you look back and realise that Ferrari last won the drivers' title in 2007 and the constructors' a year later. You have to be a dominant team to grab more than the odd 1-2, and the golden age of Schumacher/Ferrari ended in 2004. (Or perhaps the boring age, a bit like Merc now.)

At least it's Monaco this time, the most unpredictable of them all. I wish Mercedes no ill but a win for, say, Leclerc or Verstappen would be nice to see. Or a totally crazy race with a plucky young midfield scamp like Lando Norris nicking it? Now that really would be fun! I'm sure I remember one Monaco GP way back when only three cars finished, although more were classified (in the days when just the top 6 were awarded points).

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 23:09 24 May 2019
by GreenThing
MickyD wrote: It is shocking on first hearing (and it was to me too) but it makes more sense when you look back and realise that Ferrari last won the drivers' title in 2007 and the constructors' a year later. You have to be a dominant team to grab more than the odd 1-2, and the golden age of Schumacher/Ferrari ended in 2004. (Or perhaps the boring age, a bit like Merc now.)

At least it's Monaco this time, the most unpredictable of them all. I wish Mercedes no ill but a win for, say, Leclerc or Verstappen would be nice to see. Or a totally crazy race with a plucky young midfield scamp like Lando Norris nicking it? Now that really would be fun! I'm sure I remember one Monaco GP way back when only three cars finished, although more were classified (in the days when just the top 6 were awarded points).


1996, the year Damon won the championship. 3 cars finished with Olivier Panis winning in the Ligier. Oh for a race like that on Sunday!

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 23:30 24 May 2019
by MickyD
That's the one! Thanks for filling in the blanks. I knew it was some very unikely winner but I couldn'r remember who.

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 13:00 28 May 2019
by The-Pilgrim
Well at least it wasn't a 1-2!

All those saying it was a miracle from Hamilton and a great drive can do one, any other track and he would have had to pit again and he would have finished 5th, all he had to do was not crash and he was always going to win that from the moment he led into the first corner.

Surprised more wasn't made of Bottas deliberately slowing down when approaching the pits to try and preserve his 2nd place, he went from 1 second behind Hamilton to about 7 to avoid double stacking in the pits.

As with every other year, I find myself asking, whats the point of Monaco?

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 11:34 08 Jun 2019
by GreenThing
The point of Monaco? As racing goes, there’s very little chance of any actual racing, but there’s a good chance of action in the form of someone hitting something unmovable, safety car out and the pack can get shuffled. I enjoyed the race this year, Max didn’t get past but had a go. Maybe if he didn’t have the penalty for an unsafe release, a pass would have been for the win and a few more attempts would have been made.

Anyway, on to Canada. Good place for a race and a good time to watch it. Last year was a bit disappointing, so hoping this year will be a bit better.

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 20:52 08 Jun 2019
by MickyD
Well, at least we have something of an unexpected grid to kick things off. It won't help that Verstappen is not up there, but we do have a Ferrari/Merc split, the other Merc in sixth, and a cheeky Renault in the mix. Good to see another decent showing by McLaren, too.

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 22:18 09 Jun 2019
by MickyD
That was tough on Vettel! He seemed to be barely under control coming back off the grass but there's just one thing nagging at me a bit - was that final right flick of the steering wheel an oversteer correction or perhaps... a Schumacher-esque move to ensure that Hamilton couldn't pass?

Whatever the truth, it seems to have been yet another error under pressure from Vettel - and as for swapping the 1st and 2nd place signs around in front of Hamilton's car and the empty space where his own car should have been - yes, he was furious, but that was not cool at all.

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 07:49 10 Jun 2019
by GreenThing
MickyD wrote: That was tough on Vettel! He seemed to be barely under control coming back off the grass but there's just one thing nagging at me a bit - was that final right flick of the steering wheel an oversteer correction or perhaps... a Schumacher-esque move to ensure that Hamilton couldn't pass?

Whatever the truth, it seems to have been yet another error under pressure from Vettel - and as for swapping the 1st and 2nd place signs around in front of Hamilton's car and the empty space where his own car should have been - yes, he was furious, but that was not cool at all.


I think that the amount of steering angle and the speed at which it was applied would suggest that it was opposite lock to control the slide. It doesn’t sit well with me as the stewards seem to look for someone to blame and feel the need to dish out penalties for every incident. Penalties should be given for intentional cheating or rank stupidity, not racing where something didn’t quite go to plan.

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 09:26 10 Jun 2019
by The-Pilgrim
GreenThing wrote:
MickyD wrote: That was tough on Vettel! He seemed to be barely under control coming back off the grass but there's just one thing nagging at me a bit - was that final right flick of the steering wheel an oversteer correction or perhaps... a Schumacher-esque move to ensure that Hamilton couldn't pass?

Whatever the truth, it seems to have been yet another error under pressure from Vettel - and as for swapping the 1st and 2nd place signs around in front of Hamilton's car and the empty space where his own car should have been - yes, he was furious, but that was not cool at all.


I think that the amount of steering angle and the speed at which it was applied would suggest that it was opposite lock to control the slide. It doesn’t sit well with me as the stewards seem to look for someone to blame and feel the need to dish out penalties for every incident. Penalties should be given for intentional cheating or rank stupidity, not racing where something didn’t quite go to plan.


Ferrari have lodged an intention to appeal the penalty, can't say I blame them, I'm still annoyed about it myself! I'm not sure what more Vettel could have done in that situation, he did well to catch the initial slide and avoid the barrier!
I know some have said its childish but Vettel moving the p1/p2 boards could very well end up being the best moment of the season at the rate this season is currently going!

Re: F1 2019

Posted: 10:43 10 Jun 2019
by MickyD
I've since watched the incident numerous times and I think that the nag has gone. Vettel did "rejoin the track in an unsafe manner" but I don't see what else he could have done, as he said himself.

In fairness, the stewards have been far more lenient in recent times and have let quite a few things pass as "racing incidents" that would once have been penalised; but yes, I think they got this one wrong.

I can't see that appeal succeeding because in-race penalties, for very sensible reasons, are not subject to appeal. In this case Hamilton knew during the race that he no longer had to try to overtake, and if Ferrari win an appeal then Mercedes will justly argue that Hamilton's race strategy was fundamentally altered by that penalty while they were still out on the track.

The FIA can't set that dangerous precedent, and as a result I think that Ferrari and Vettel are just going to have to swallow it. If they can channel their anger into a genuine challenge to Mercedes then so much the better for everyone.