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Re: The inconvenience of seeking the truth

Posted: 21:13 28 Oct 2019
by Balham_Green
Ham Green wrote:
mervyn wrote: What's wrong with you lot. I start a perfectly moderate OP, agreeing there are reasonable views on both sides, half which I disagree with as a remainer, but I'm interested in hearing opposing views. I have seven young grandchildren, and the oldest three are in school debating societies which don't descend into name calling and this drivel. I give up. My last post on here.


Can't say I blame you.

This whole board has seriously gone downhill in the last couple of years, Terraces is virtually dead, Main Forum is dead unless we lose when all the cockroaches come out, and it's more or less impossible to have a grown-up discussion on Opinions.

Maybe it's time to leave this place to the saddo's.


Ham Green is above all that of course.
Wants to have a 'grown up discussion' then calls people saddos and cockroaches. :facepalm: See the contradiction there at all?

Re: The inconvenience of seeking the truth

Posted: 21:25 28 Oct 2019
by Balham_Green
signalspast wrote:
Balham_Green wrote:
signalspast wrote: Sorry I have realised reading and maths is not your strong point but I did say that I have worked 12 hour nightshifts for six days per week which equates to 72 hours. In fact prior to working time regs and promotions were on I have worked 84 hours in one week for the duration of the promotion. No it wasnt picking fruit but it was just as back breaking.
So let's turn this around. So as a remainer you are happy for the eastern Europeans to come over here as slave labour so u can get cheap fruit but it's not acceptable for people from Asia to undertake it. Your remain side is the ones who have been stating about the fruit being left due to brexit all I have done is give a solution to the problem. I am happy though that you admitted you have been treating them as slave labour for years though.
Now you were the one who initially posted the point that they wouldnt come over here for a few weeks. Yes I realise you were trying to be a smartass and trying to find fault in my arguments about brexit but all you have done is made yourself look pretty stupid. Every point you have attempted to make to argue your point I have proven you wrong so why dont just cease and retreat to the puddle you came from where u can pretend you are a big fish.


I will respond to the points when I have time. What you have shown is that you are an arrogant obnoxious abusive individual unable to hold an argument without talking down to people. And trying to making points based on shallow superficial anecdotal evidence. Says it all about Brexiteers.


Take note Socrates : when the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser.

I have proven every point I have made. The only point I initially made was that people I know would come over here happily to work as fruit pickers. You are the one who made statements about me to which I responded however please do answer why as a remainer you are happy for the eastern Europeans to come here and pick the fruit on wages that you called slave labour but it's not acceptable for somebody from asia to take up the same opportunity.


So I will waste 5 mins of my life explaining the bl**ding obvious. Eastern Europeans dont need to spend 72 hours a week as YOU suggest to earn 600 as YOU suggest(not including deductions) to pay their fare to come from the other side of the world as YOU suggest. I never suggested anybody should work such hours but you appear to think its fine. And you say you worked those long hours yourself. Fruit picking was it? :whistle:

Re: The inconvenience of seeking the truth

Posted: 21:36 28 Oct 2019
by Frank_Butcher
The problem is that polarised views will never be changed and Brexit has divided the country like nothing else. That's why debate just ends up with one counter-attack after another, sometimes ending up going a bit too far. In that regard, this board is no different to other ones out there.

In traditional politics I've never believed that, being honest with yourself, you can be totally polarised - whoever the opposition is in your world, they must occasionally make sense ;). Sadly for many, if not the majority, Brexit has changed that. I hope it's temporary but fear not.

But the biggest turn-off for me is those that pick opinions apart to simply critcise or mock - with nothing of substance offered in return.

Re: The inconvenience of seeking the truth

Posted: 14:36 29 Oct 2019
by signalspast
mervyn wrote: What's wrong with you lot. I start a perfectly moderate OP, agreeing there are reasonable views on both sides, half which I disagree with as a remainer, but I'm interested in hearing opposing views. I have seven young grandchildren, and the oldest three are in school debating societies which don't descend into name calling and this drivel. I give up. My last post on here.


Okay Mervyn I first of all owe you and other persons posting on here an apology for allowing myself to be entwined into a slagging match. I said in my initial reply that I was happy to discuss my reasons for brexit whether that's the economy through to security or even ideology of it however I wouldnt if it turned into one of insults I would cease giving my opinion. Yeah I know no need to say anything. I thought it was turning that way when I read his first line. Typical thinking from a brexiteer. Anyway I am saying no more on the subject but to say sorry for the slanging match as I was stupid to bite at his instigations especially as it was such a stupid little point

Re: The inconvenience of seeking the truth

Posted: 23:46 29 Oct 2019
by Balham_Green
signalspast wrote:
mervyn wrote: What's wrong with you lot. I start a perfectly moderate OP, agreeing there are reasonable views on both sides, half which I disagree with as a remainer, but I'm interested in hearing opposing views. I have seven young grandchildren, and the oldest three are in school debating societies which don't descend into name calling and this drivel. I give up. My last post on here.


Okay Mervyn I first of all owe you and other persons posting on here an apology for allowing myself to be entwined into a slagging match. I said in my initial reply that I was happy to discuss my reasons for brexit whether that's the economy through to security or even ideology of it however I wouldnt if it turned into one of insults I would cease giving my opinion. Yeah I know no need to say anything. I thought it was turning that way when I read his first line. Typical thinking from a brexiteer. Anyway I am saying no more on the subject but to say sorry for the slanging match as I was stupid to bite at his instigations especially as it was such a stupid little point


You started with the insults - not being able to read etc so dont look for sympathy. And cant let it go without yet another dig at the end. And cant admit you were wrong.

Re: The inconvenience of seeking the truth

Posted: 03:07 30 Oct 2019
by Mike E
Can you not just accept an apology ?

Re: The inconvenience of seeking the truth

Posted: 03:35 30 Oct 2019
by Mike E
Frank_Butcher wrote: The problem is that polarised views will never be changed and Brexit has divided the country like nothing else. That's why debate just ends up with one counter-attack after another, sometimes ending up going a bit too far. In that regard, this board is no different to other ones out there.

In traditional politics I've never believed that, being honest with yourself, you can be totally polarised - whoever the opposition is in your world, they must occasionally make sense ;). Sadly for many, if not the majority, Brexit has changed that. I hope it's temporary but fear not.

But the biggest turn-off for me is those that pick opinions apart to simply critcise or mock - with nothing of substance offered in return.


You're right Frank, and to take it to the extreme, it has always been and will always be the case that one persons freedom fighter will be another ones terrorist and visa versa. The hardest thing for both is to compromise, where both have to accept defeat, as they have to accept, for their own good and the sake of peace, that neither side should win.

The Good Friday agreement is an example and if you were to apply it to Brexit then a customs union would be the answer.

Re: The inconvenience of seeking the truth

Posted: 07:49 30 Oct 2019
by Balham_Green
Mike E wrote: Can you not just accept an apology ?


He didnt apologise to me and as I said had another dig at the end.