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Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 18:23 03 Feb 2020
by Martyn
So after the liar’s speech today, there we have it.

Before and during the election, he denied that was going for a no deal Brexit. So he got elected as Tory PM, and succeeded in the election. And getting the racist Farage, not to stand his PM candidates.

So, the liar we now know will negotiate in bad faith with the EU., making impossible conditions for a deal, then claim that it will be impossible to do a deal with the EU, claim it will be their fault. Will not extend past Dec 20,

Hence there will be a no deal Brexit, from next year, just what he wants/Cummings wants/ERG wants, (that’s how he got to lead the nasty party).

Is it all worth it, just to leave the EU, will we be better off, or just is it an ego trip for the likes of Johnson/Farage.

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 09:16 04 Feb 2020
by PlymouthCasual
Come on Martyn, surely you can see that the "No Deal" threat is simply both ours and the EU's bargaining tool during this negotiation? Every negotiation in history has the threat of one of the party's pulling out, thats simply business. We will not leave this process without a deal, period.

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 09:52 04 Feb 2020
by oldage
PlymouthCasual wrote: Come on Martyn, surely you can see that the "No Deal" threat is simply both ours and the EU's bargaining tool during this negotiation? Every negotiation in history has the threat of one of the party's pulling out, thats simply business. We will not leave this process without a deal, period.

If Theresa May had used this bargaining tool we wouldn't have had to wait so long to get to this stage..

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 10:29 04 Feb 2020
by Pogleswoody
oldage wrote:
PlymouthCasual wrote: Come on Martyn, surely you can see that the "No Deal" threat is simply both ours and the EU's bargaining tool during this negotiation? Every negotiation in history has the threat of one of the party's pulling out, thats simply business. We will not leave this process without a deal, period.

If Theresa May had used this bargaining tool we wouldn't have had to wait so long to get to this stage..


Theresa May's Dad was a vicar. Her greatest crime was running through a field.
Boris's Dad is Stanley Johnson. He has done thins that even he is (may be) ashamed of.
She is a poor liar; he is world class.
Something to be proud of I suppose? A gift of sorts? :think:

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 10:38 04 Feb 2020
by PlymouthCasual
Some would say its exactly the same thing but I believe that there is a very fine line between being a serial liar and an unbelievable bluffer when negotiating Pogles.

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 10:59 04 Feb 2020
by Pogleswoody
PlymouthCasual wrote: Some would say its exactly the same thing but I believe that there is a very fine line between being a serial liar and an unbelievable bluffer when negotiating Pogles.


Yes sure, Theresa was too inflexible and unimaginative to be a good PM, not just about lying.

What worries me about Boris is:
Did he know on 4/1/20 what his negotiating stance was going to be on 4/2/20?
Does he know today what he'll be asking for/conceding on 4/3/20?
If you see what I mean: you need a goal and a strategy not just immediate reaction to what the other side says.

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 11:54 04 Feb 2020
by Ade the green
Weren’t we inside the club long enough to know the nature of deals struck? We’re not going into this with no warning or with no prior knowledge of how it’s going to work out. The problem with Brexiteers now and then is thinking we’ll be free of all the bad but keep hold of the good. Thinking we’ll have a Canada+ deal when we’ve been told time and time again that we won’t.

Just like the British fishermen bitching about eu fishing rites to fish in British waters then bowling over to French waters to fish scallops when the Frenchies backs are turned or turning your back on the people that got you the referendum result you wanted but now refuse to accept you’ll be paying the bill. Cornwall = conned. Getting eu subsidies because Cornwall is deemed to be deprived, yep. People in Britain hold their hands out for EU subsidies because Westminster allows them nothing, asked before the referendum if this money was safe all the leave means leave guys agreed that it would after all we wouldn’t be giving anything to Europe. Once the tallies came in, every single leave mp decided it wasn’t there’s to promise so go whistle,

Now we’re out of the EU we in the south west are hostage to those in Westminster and when has anyone in Westminster ever given anything to the South West? We don’t even have functioning rail links to the capital but they’re spending £bs just to see if H2s is feasible.

Small businesses claiming they’ve not been assisted and are leaving to set up in Europe, all transport will be subject to increasing customs rituals just in case those that haven’t decided to leave consider it unsafe to stay. Will all this rhetoric from Boris give them hope?

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 21:01 06 Feb 2020
by Ave_IT
oldage wrote:
PlymouthCasual wrote: Come on Martyn, surely you can see that the "No Deal" threat is simply both ours and the EU's bargaining tool during this negotiation? Every negotiation in history has the threat of one of the party's pulling out, thats simply business. We will not leave this process without a deal, period.

If Theresa May had used this bargaining tool we wouldn't have had to wait so long to get to this stage..

What exactly did Johnson get from the EU that May didn't? Nothing! His 'deal' was virtually identical to the one they offered to May but she rejected. She said "No Prime Minister of the UK would ever accept a border down the Irish sea" ..... But Johnson did accept exactly that - although he repeatedly lies about it - that's what his deal hinges on.

Basically the EU took the deal May rejected out of the bin, dusted it off and then gave it to Boris to sign. Accepting that internal border did away with the whole need for the backstop and it let's us move away more from EU rules if we want. BUT....a huge BUT..... every academic study, every independent economic analysis, and even the government's own models show the more we diverge the bigger the negative impact on our economic future. The EU are adamant we cannot have a comprehensive FTA unless we accept their 'level playing field' criteria.

So it's complete kak to think Johnson pulled off some great negotiating triumph in a few weeks by threatening them. He didn't. He accepted an internal border imposed by the EU then kicked the can down the road. The really tough bit starts now. 'Get Brexit done' my @rse.

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 23:28 06 Feb 2020
by Martyn
Sorry have I missed something.

I thought Brexit was done.

Now he wants to do a deal .

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 10:14 07 Feb 2020
by Pogleswoody
Martyn wrote: Sorry have I missed something.

I thought Brexit was done.

Now he wants to do a deal .


So how far away is Borexit day?? :think:

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 10:30 07 Feb 2020
by oldage
Ave_IT wrote:
oldage wrote:
PlymouthCasual wrote: Come on Martyn, surely you can see that the "No Deal" threat is simply both ours and the EU's bargaining tool during this negotiation? Every negotiation in history has the threat of one of the party's pulling out, thats simply business. We will not leave this process without a deal, period.

If Theresa May had used this bargaining tool we wouldn't have had to wait so long to get to this stage..

What exactly did Johnson get from the EU that May didn't? Nothing! His 'deal' was virtually identical to the one they offered to May but she rejected. She said "No Prime Minister of the UK would ever accept a border down the Irish sea" ..... But Johnson did accept exactly that - although he repeatedly lies about it - that's what his deal hinges on.

Basically the EU took the deal May rejected out of the bin, dusted it off and then gave it to Boris to sign. Accepting that internal border did away with the whole need for the backstop and it let's us move away more from EU rules if we want. BUT....a huge BUT..... every academic study, every independent economic analysis, and even the government's own models show the more we diverge the bigger the negative impact on our economic future. The EU are adamant we cannot have a comprehensive FTA unless we accept their 'level playing field' criteria.

So it's complete kak to think Johnson pulled off some great negotiating triumph in a few weeks by threatening them. He didn't. He accepted an internal border imposed by the EU then kicked the can down the road. The really tough bit starts now. 'Get Brexit done' my @rse.

He WILL get Brexit done even if it 's a No deal.

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 10:38 07 Feb 2020
by Pogleswoody
But he said Brexit was already done. He 'got it done'.

Quote:
Now we can put the rancour and division of the past three years behind us and focus on delivering a bright, exciting future! :lol:

That is up there with Trump saying previous Presidents couldn't have got through what he endured.
What a guy!! What an arrogant twit!! :facepalm:

Re: Johnson/Brexit

Posted: 10:58 07 Feb 2020
by nick623
The key to Brexit, PAFC etc is one thing MONEY. They always say if you want to find out the truth follow the money. BJ has made it quite clear no ECJ, no CAP, no CFP. He wants a trade deal with the EU full stop. He has also said he will take either a Canada or Australian model. You have to remember that the EU has a surplus in goods and services (trade) of over £60 billion pounds a year - they don't call us Treasure Island for nothing. We are back in the WTO again and taken up our seat. I expect the tariff and quota schedules to be published soon. If a trade deal is not agreed the tariffs would be punitive for EU companies. We would make a huge profit on the tariffs collected and due to the huge rise in the cost of EU imports the volume of trade would likely collapse. It is simple economics. The EU know they have to do a trade deal, they have no choice. BJ can sit back quite happily and wait for them to come to him. Yes they will get shirty and I fully expect them to open the flood gates to illegal migrants into the UK and threatening Gibraltar etc. These things are already happening. But, BREXIT is done - we have left the EU. We are back on the world stage with our own voice and ability to make our own decisions. The past is the past it is the future which is important now.