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Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 19:16 26 May 2020
by Martyn
Frank_Butcher wrote:
Martyn wrote: Something that is puzzling me, he said he and his family were in self isolation in Durham, because his wife and himself, were showing virus symptoms.

Why drive 260 miles to Durham, when he could have self isolated in London.


He was concerned about childcare for his 4 year old if both he and his wife became incapacitated. Therefore he (they) elected to travel to be close to family. Whether that is reasonable given the weight of Government support he would have likely received if that happened, e.g. transporting family member(s) to London to look after the child, is one point of debate.


The rules stated, that if you had symptoms of the virus, you self isolate. (He designed these rules).

So why travel, 260 miles to self isolate, when he can self isolate in London.

So if family members can provide him with food in Durham. Then it can be done in London. His sister in law, lived near. Plus he has so many friends in the ‘Cabinet’, they could have provided provisions.

So why was the reason to travel in Durham, in breach of the rules.

Plus, he took a 60 mile round trip to another town, to test his eyesight, (on his wife’s birthday).
What absolute bollocks, anybody who believes that, are misguided as he is.

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 19:36 26 May 2020
by Frank_Butcher
Martyn wrote:
Frank_Butcher wrote:
Martyn wrote: Something that is puzzling me, he said he and his family were in self isolation in Durham, because his wife and himself, were showing virus symptoms.

Why drive 260 miles to Durham, when he could have self isolated in London.


He was concerned about childcare for his 4 year old if both he and his wife became incapacitated. Therefore he (they) elected to travel to be close to family. Whether that is reasonable given the weight of Government support he would have likely received if that happened, e.g. transporting family member(s) to London to look after the child, is one point of debate.


The rules stated, that if you had symptoms of the virus, you self isolate. (He designed these rules).

So why travel, 260 miles to self isolate, when he can self isolate in London.

So if family members can provide him with food in Durham. Then it can be done in London. His sister in law, lived near. Plus he has so many friends in the ‘Cabinet’, they could have provided provisions.

So why was the reason to travel in Durham, in breach of the rules.

Plus, he took a 60 mile round trip to another town, to test his eyesight, (on his wife’s birthday).
What absolute bollocks, anybody who believes that, are misguided as he is.


I tend to agree with you.

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 20:38 26 May 2020
by pastiesforlife
‘Misguided’ is the wrong word. He knew exactly what he was doing and, as usual, couldn’t care less what others thought, including Boris. He knew that Boris and chums would not have the bottle to stand up to him, no matter how ridiculous the story. There are elements of Trump about him, even resorting to fake news as a diversion from facts. Unfortunately, he is clearly far more intelligent than Trump.

DC is a scary character. Look at the alleged stories of time spent in Russia running a transport company without any vehicles; the time spent living in a bunker; his belief in Artificial Intelligence and how it can be used; the appointment of his wife to an AI company just before the Government do a deal with them in April; the journalist who investigates him being threatened with legal action etc. If any one of those things is true, we should be worried, let alone all of them.

This was an opportunity to get rid of him but it seems like it is going to be squandered.

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 21:18 26 May 2020
by MickyD
Yes, this is what really disturbs me about Cummings. It's not really blahblahblahgate, it's the deeply pernicious and - yes - downright bloody evil influence that he's exerted, and unfortunately now continues to exert, on British politics. Again, Grima Wormtongue comes to mind.

He and Steve Bannon in the US make the ugliest and scariest of bedfellows. They were both intimately involved in Cambridge Analytica, the company that got Bexit done and Trump elected, and I honestly dread to imagine what Cummings and Bannon, and many others, are currently getting up to behind the scenes. If they have their way (and they probably will) we will never know, at least until it's far too late to do anything about it.

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 07:48 27 May 2020
by ninjamissile
MickyD wrote: Yes, this is what really disturbs me about Cummings. It's not really blahblahblahgate, it's the deeply pernicious and - yes - downright bloody evil influence that he's exerted, and unfortunately now continues to exert, on British politics. Again, Grima Wormtongue comes to mind.

He and Steve Bannon in the US make the ugliest and scariest of bedfellows. They were both intimately involved in Cambridge Analytica, the company that got Bexit done and Trump elected, and I honestly dread to imagine what Cummings and Bannon, and many others, are currently getting up to behind the scenes. If they have their way (and they probably will) we will never know, at least until it's far too late to do anything about it.


This is at the root of the hysteria.

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 08:04 27 May 2020
by Martyn
ninjamissile wrote:
MickyD wrote: Yes, this is what really disturbs me about Cummings. It's not really blahblahblahgate, it's the deeply pernicious and - yes - downright bloody evil influence that he's exerted, and unfortunately now continues to exert, on British politics. Again, Grima Wormtongue comes to mind.

He and Steve Bannon in the US make the ugliest and scariest of bedfellows. They were both intimately involved in Cambridge Analytica, the company that got Bexit done and Trump elected, and I honestly dread to imagine what Cummings and Bannon, and many others, are currently getting up to behind the scenes. If they have their way (and they probably will) we will never know, at least until it's far too late to do anything about it.


This is at the root of the hysteria.


And yes, we are in a right mess with this Brexit, caused by Johnson and his cronies, and now with Coronavirus on top of it, we will suffer even more.

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 08:10 27 May 2020
by Frank_Butcher
Following Michael Gove's spluttering defence of Cummings yesterday, well known far leftie Andy Dawson - who has written several articles in freelance mode for both the Guardian and the Mirror (though not recently) - launched a vile Twitter attack on Gove threatening to violently assault him in front of his children. The tense of the tweet suggests it was directed to Gove's wife.

I won't repeat it here - it's not nice - but I don't think I'll ever understand what motivates someone to even type those words, let alone think them.

I despise the far right as much as the far left so I'm not making a political point per se - both can be as bad as each other. But how does a guy like this ever pass the test to write for national newspapers?

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 08:31 27 May 2020
by ninjamissile
Martyn wrote:
ninjamissile wrote:
MickyD wrote: Yes, this is what really disturbs me about Cummings. It's not really blahblahblahgate, it's the deeply pernicious and - yes - downright bloody evil influence that he's exerted, and unfortunately now continues to exert, on British politics. Again, Grima Wormtongue comes to mind.

He and Steve Bannon in the US make the ugliest and scariest of bedfellows. They were both intimately involved in Cambridge Analytica, the company that got Bexit done and Trump elected, and I honestly dread to imagine what Cummings and Bannon, and many others, are currently getting up to behind the scenes. If they have their way (and they probably will) we will never know, at least until it's far too late to do anything about it.


This is at the root of the hysteria.


And yes, we are in a right mess with this Brexit, caused by Johnson and his cronies, and now with Coronavirus on top of it, we will suffer even more.


That depends entirely on your point of view I guess. There's a lot going on at the moment and it's all slipping under the radar and going unreported because of the virus coverage.

There's no doubt that Cummings was unwise but the attacks on him by the rabid lefties have been personal and unwarranted.

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 09:16 27 May 2020
by Martyn
ninjamissile wrote:
Martyn wrote:
ninjamissile wrote:
MickyD wrote: Yes, this is what really disturbs me about Cummings. It's not really blahblahblahgate, it's the deeply pernicious and - yes - downright bloody evil influence that he's exerted, and unfortunately now continues to exert, on British politics. Again, Grima Wormtongue comes to mind.

He and Steve Bannon in the US make the ugliest and scariest of bedfellows. They were both intimately involved in Cambridge Analytica, the company that got Bexit done and Trump elected, and I honestly dread to imagine what Cummings and Bannon, and many others, are currently getting up to behind the scenes. If they have their way (and they probably will) we will never know, at least until it's far too late to do anything about it.


This is at the root of the hysteria.


And yes, we are in a right mess with this Brexit, caused by Johnson and his cronies, and now with Coronavirus on top of it, we will suffer even more.


That depends entirely on your point of view I guess. There's a lot going on at the moment and it's all slipping under the radar and going unreported because of the virus coverage.

There's no doubt that Cummings was unwise but the attacks on him by the rabid lefties have been personal and unwarranted.


No , no, the allegations against him are warranted and personal, as he brought his son into this, as an excuse.

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 10:32 27 May 2020
by ninjamissile
Martyn wrote:
ninjamissile wrote:
Martyn wrote:
ninjamissile wrote:
MickyD wrote: Yes, this is what really disturbs me about Cummings. It's not really blahblahblahgate, it's the deeply pernicious and - yes - downright bloody evil influence that he's exerted, and unfortunately now continues to exert, on British politics. Again, Grima Wormtongue comes to mind.

He and Steve Bannon in the US make the ugliest and scariest of bedfellows. They were both intimately involved in Cambridge Analytica, the company that got Bexit done and Trump elected, and I honestly dread to imagine what Cummings and Bannon, and many others, are currently getting up to behind the scenes. If they have their way (and they probably will) we will never know, at least until it's far too late to do anything about it.


This is at the root of the hysteria.


And yes, we are in a right mess with this Brexit, caused by Johnson and his cronies, and now with Coronavirus on top of it, we will suffer even more.


That depends entirely on your point of view I guess. There's a lot going on at the moment and it's all slipping under the radar and going unreported because of the virus coverage.

There's no doubt that Cummings was unwise but the attacks on him by the rabid lefties have been personal and unwarranted.


No , no, the allegations against him are warranted and personal, as he brought his son into this, as an excuse.

Can't argue with that, no more from me for now...

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 10:45 27 May 2020
by MickyD
ninjamissile wrote:
MickyD wrote: Yes, this is what really disturbs me about Cummings. It's not really blahblahblahgate, it's the deeply pernicious and - yes - downright bloody evil influence that he's exerted, and unfortunately now continues to exert, on British politics. Again, Grima Wormtongue comes to mind.

He and Steve Bannon in the US make the ugliest and scariest of bedfellows. They were both intimately involved in Cambridge Analytica, the company that got Bexit done and Trump elected, and I honestly dread to imagine what Cummings and Bannon, and many others, are currently getting up to behind the scenes. If they have their way (and they probably will) we will never know, at least until it's far too late to do anything about it.


This is at the root of the hysteria.

So what are you saying here? All those Tory MPs, all those Daily Mail readers who are "hysterical" - they're all whinging remoaners?

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 10:59 27 May 2020
by MickyD
I'm going to quote Marina Hyde again, from today's rabid leftie Grauniad:

Anyone who imagines his defence of Cummings is born of loyalty is unfamiliar with the concept “Boris Johnson”. This is actually a simple story: man with no ideas is too terrified to sack his ideas man. Or to put it in the complex intellectual terms it deserves, some street heckler once shouted at David Hasselhoff: “Oi! Hasselhoff! You’re nothing without your talking car!” Cummings is the talking car to Johnson’s Hasselhoff.

I went for a Grima Wormtongue analogy; she went for KITT :greensmile:

The truth about why Cummings hasn't gone: Johnson is too terrified to sack him

Re: Coronavirus

Posted: 11:08 27 May 2020
by ninjamissile
MickyD wrote:
ninjamissile wrote:
MickyD wrote: Yes, this is what really disturbs me about Cummings. It's not really blahblahblahgate, it's the deeply pernicious and - yes - downright bloody evil influence that he's exerted, and unfortunately now continues to exert, on British politics. Again, Grima Wormtongue comes to mind.

He and Steve Bannon in the US make the ugliest and scariest of bedfellows. They were both intimately involved in Cambridge Analytica, the company that got Bexit done and Trump elected, and I honestly dread to imagine what Cummings and Bannon, and many others, are currently getting up to behind the scenes. If they have their way (and they probably will) we will never know, at least until it's far too late to do anything about it.


This is at the root of the hysteria.

So what are you saying here? All those Tory MPs, all those Daily Mail readers who are "hysterical" - they're all whinging remoaners?


That would obviously be very difficult to prove. And I didn't use the term 'whinging remoaners'..!