Frank_Butcher wrote:Balham_Green wrote:Frank_Butcher wrote: Nope, you’re not seeing the point are you? Oh well.
Do enlighten us Frank........
Really? I gave you more credit. Still nice to see you’ve found a friend.
Hint: it begins with h and ends in t and is front and centre of that post and many before it.
You see like I used to tell my daughter, the problem with the Internet is that what you put up there typically stays there. You cannot in all conscience tell someone they’re over-reacting to Covid (after Cheltenham) and then 5 minutes later complain that we didn’t cancel Cheltenham. You have to accept that your opinion was different at the time of the event which it clearly was. Now the fact that it took me 3 attempts asking tmkf what they would have done leaves me doubting the veracity of the eventual answer as well. The truth is we all felt differently at various points including now.
Just for balance, this is an extract from the minutes of the SAGE meeting on March 5th, just before Cheltenham. Vallance, Whitty, Powis and van Tam were among those in attendance:
“SAGE agreed there is no evidence to suggest that banning very large gatherings would reduce transmission.
“Preventing all social interaction in public spaces, including restaurants and bars, would have an effect, but would be very difficult to implement.”
I think that’s pretty straightforward advice from the time on which the government were acting. The message to Cheltenham was therefore to go ahead.
And once again, please read carefully - I have been very clear that mistakes have been made throughout this thread. Frankly, I’d be silly not to. And I do think they were too late in both September and December - September I believe being the first time they strayed from scientific advice and when I became more critical.
The point is we can all act with hindsight - me included - but some of the criticism here (especially of the first wave) is disingenuous at best.
You are still not making sense. Where did my views change with hindsight? Where did I suggest that Cheltenham should go ahead? Think you are getting me mixed up with the Sage committee. Its unlike politicians not to accept blame or responsibility for anything.