I don’t suppose BLM does care about TV programmes. The problem is that those who have pulled them, covered up statues and removed street names may think they’ve done enough when that’s not the real issue.
TruroTerry wrote: :mad:Justin wrote:TruroTerry wrote: So Ive never set foot in the US have I
Lack of knowledge is no basis for a debate.
Urban violence is deplored by the black community, but at the same time it is enabled by a culture of noncooperation.
When are we going to get on to the toppling of the grotesque Karl Marx statue in Highgate Cemetery .... I’m sure you would be up that or Muslim slave traders in Devon ?
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... sh-Slaves/
It's Karl Marx's grave!!
Your ill-thought through bias against the black community, your passionate hatred of Karl Marx (a jew) and your bizarre reference to Muslim slave traders are all painting a one-dimensional picture of your real views on racial prejudice.
It may be his grave but it is still a grotesque stature and his crass ideology is responsible for death and misery. As for implying that I may well be an anti-Semite I should let you know I am very much pro - Israel.
The reference to Muslim slave traders in Devon was merely pointing out to the historically illiterate that the Atlantic slave trade started in the 1600 by Portugal lasted 400 years before WIlliam Wilberforce rightly helped to outlaw the archaic practice. Islam on the other hand spent 1,400 years as slavers up until 1980 in Mauritania’s case. Why don’t the PC brigade pull down the minarets ?
Shankster wrote: I think it’s quite a sinister idea to eradicate history simply because we (sic) don’t like it. I remember vividly the Black and White Minstrel Show and Robertons Gollowogs during my childhood, today they would be rightly vilified and there’s not a chance they’d make it into the pubic domain in the way they did.
My greatest achievement in life is the fact that today I have three daughters who are all vociferously socialist, anti-homophobic, anti-racist and thoughtful for all around them. They’ve had a fairly privileged upbringing which is the absolute antipathy of my own. I was exposed to fairly ardent right wing views by a father who was a policemen in the 70/80’s, my experience of police officers during this time, certainly in The Merseyside Police Force is that they were all proudly right wing. It was only the experiences of travel during my time in the RN, witnessing the devastation that Thatcher wreaked upon the city of Liverpool, my work with underprivileged and challenged young people in the Princes Trust and during my time volunteering to work (Children’s Art Foundation) at the Savalyah Orphanage in India that has driven my fairly ardent socialist views.
How then can I support the continuing presence of the Drake statue on the Hoe? I don’t need to sate my own conscience of its existence because I see it as an opportunity to educate our children of both good and bad aspects of history, it’s dangerous to try to eradicate history simply because it’s uncomfortable, didn’t the fascists do exactly that when they burned books that didn’t meet their mantra?
I think Brexit has compounded the issue in this country, it saw the rise of hideous tribalism that I’ve never seen before in this country, within both sides of the ‘debate’, it's driven ugly divide which has been used by evil figures such as Farage and Johnson to give credence to their right wing racist agendas. The other side of this is the unpalatable far left option of Corbyn and I also understand why those of centralist and conservative persuasion would find his views impossible to swallow.
All in all it feels like a perfect storm which has caused global social unrest which is dangerous in the extreme
Education, understanding and democratic debate is the only way we can get through this. Fortunately I have faith in the future generation certainly if my own children are the reflection of that.
David Friio's mate wrote: Can we stop this rubbish about "trying to eradicate history"? Sorry Shankster if that seems aggressive towards you - I don't mean it to be as it seems you're a good egg, but that's something I keep seeing and it winds me up.
Unless BLM have a time machine they haven't told anyone about, that's not their aim.
Their problem, whether you agree with it or not, is the continued celebration of figures who caused nigh on irreparable damage to the world. Let's not forget too that removal of statues etc is not in anyway a big part of what's going on right now - it's a tiny part of things that has been seized upon by the right wing press to whip up a certain part of the population in to a frenzy.
I keep seeing this argument about "trying to eradicate history" and the first thing it tells me is that whoever is saying it doesn't actually know what the protests are actually about. Again Shankster - apologies if this comes across a bit aggressive!
Shankster wrote: Far left or far right, this explains the lot
https://twitter.com/johncleese/status/1 ... 83457?s=21