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Re: Sir Francis Drake statue

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by GreenThing
» 16:37 18 Jun 2020
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MickyD wrote:
oldage wrote: Both heinous crimes with no excuses but if GF had been white would there have been the same outrage/demonstrations ?

Errr... I think that's rather the point. Had he been white his neck would never have been crushed under a policeman's knee in the first place.


Wouldn’t it? Police brutality happens to white people as well.

Re: Sir Francis Drake statue

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by MickyD
» 16:43 18 Jun 2020


GreenThing wrote:
MickyD wrote:
oldage wrote: Both heinous crimes with no excuses but if GF had been white would there have been the same outrage/demonstrations ?

Errr... I think that's rather the point. Had he been white his neck would never have been crushed under a policeman's knee in the first place.


Wouldn’t it? Police brutality happens to white people as well.

Yes, we all know that. Oh jeez, I'm not getting into all this. As oldage himself is fond of saying, some people's opinions will never change.
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Re: Sir Francis Drake statue

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by signalspast
» 17:43 18 Jun 2020


You say it wouldnt of happened with a certainty but how can you be so certain that race was the only thing behind it. Its reported that the two knew each other and have had alterations in the past where they worked in a bar together, how much did that influence his actions. The holding down of suspects in that manner is standard procedure on the united states so given the circumstances it would be undertaken to any person who is deemed a threat.

Re: Sir Francis Drake statue

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by MickyD
» 18:04 18 Jun 2020


signalspast wrote: You say it wouldnt of happened with a certainty but how can you be so certain that race was the only thing behind it. Its reported that the two knew each other and have had alterations in the past where they worked in a bar together, how much did that influence his actions. The holding down of suspects in that manner is standard procedure on the united states so given the circumstances it would be undertaken to any person who is deemed a threat.

All these posts just read like desperate rearguard actions. The weak justifications and the stretches of the imagination just get harder and harder to take seriously.
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Re: Sir Francis Drake statue

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by signalspast
» 18:57 18 Jun 2020


MickyD wrote:
signalspast wrote: You say it wouldnt of happened with a certainty but how can you be so certain that race was the only thing behind it. Its reported that the two knew each other and have had alterations in the past where they worked in a bar together, how much did that influence his actions. The holding down of suspects in that manner is standard procedure on the united states so given the circumstances it would be undertaken to any person who is deemed a threat.

All these posts just read like desperate rearguard actions. The weak justifications and the stretches of the imagination just get harder and harder to take seriously.


I am not saying racism didnt have an aspect in it but I am not blind to the point that there could be other things that was involved within it. For you to blindly say it wouldnt happen if the person was white or even accept that there is a possibility that there was other reasons behind the actions you are doing the black cause as much disservice as the person saying racism doesnt exist.

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by Daz
» 19:49 18 Jun 2020
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No point talking to Micky about this on here. He’s part of the radical left that won’t even hear let alone consider anyone else’s opinion on this matter. He has bought in to the agenda being driven by BLM.

If he had been on here talking about black on black knife crime and what he is doing to stop that over the last year I’d listen to him.

Innocent white people are killed by police officers in America every single day. That does not fit this narrative though. There are terrible people carrying guns (the police) in America and they don’t care if you are black, white, Asian or a Martian.

George Floyd should not have died, (here comes my “weak justification”) but he was a career criminal who was violent and was known to be armed in the past. He was on drugs and had just committed fraud. He was no angel and should not be used as a poster boy for BLM.

Re: Sir Francis Drake statue

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by oldage
» 20:03 18 Jun 2020


MickyD wrote:
oldage wrote: Both heinous crimes with no excuses but if GF had been white would there have been the same outrage/demonstrations ?

Errr... I think that's rather the point. Had he been white his neck would never have been crushed under a policeman's knee in the first place.

How would you know that?

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by Balham_Green
» 20:31 18 Jun 2020


Daz wrote: No point talking to Micky about this on here. He’s part of the radical left that won’t even hear let alone consider anyone else’s opinion on this matter. He has bought in to the agenda being driven by BLM.

If he had been on here talking about black on black knife crime and what he is doing to stop that over the last year I’d listen to him.

Innocent white people are killed by police officers in America every single day. That does not fit this narrative though. There are terrible people carrying guns (the police) in America and they don’t care if you are black, white, Asian or a Martian.

George Floyd should not have died, (here comes my “weak justification”) but he was a career criminal who was violent and was known to be armed. He was on drugs and had just committed fraud. He was no angel and should not be used as a poster boy for BLM.


So where's your evidence white people are killed every day? Making it up arent you?
Am fairly sure he wasn't armed either. But dont let the truth get in way of a good story

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 ... e-by-race/

Re: Sir Francis Drake statue

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» 20:58 18 Jun 2020
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Balham_Green wrote:
Daz wrote: No point talking to Micky about this on here. He’s part of the radical left that won’t even hear let alone consider anyone else’s opinion on this matter. He has bought in to the agenda being driven by BLM.

If he had been on here talking about black on black knife crime and what he is doing to stop that over the last year I’d listen to him.

Innocent white people are killed by police officers in America every single day. That does not fit this narrative though. There are terrible people carrying guns (the police) in America and they don’t care if you are black, white, Asian or a Martian.

George Floyd should not have died, (here comes my “weak justification”) but he was a career criminal who was violent and was known to be armed. He was on drugs and had just committed fraud. He was no angel and should not be used as a poster boy for BLM.


So where's your evidence white people are killed every day? Making it up arent you?
Am fairly sure he wasn't armed either. But dont let the truth get in way of a good story


Here are some American black guys talking about then BLM movement.

https://youtu.be/7ndzCrud_Eo

I didn’t say he was armed at the time. He has been known to be armed with his violent past. I can see why my wording confused you though, that was unintentional though and I will edit.

Do your own research on how many white people have been killed by police. It’s there once you get through Google’s algorithm that talks about black people being killed as a percentage rather than numbers.

Re: Sir Francis Drake statue

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by Daz
» 21:06 18 Jun 2020
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More info for you BG

https://t.co/ToHtHS8xPZ?ssr=true

Re: Sir Francis Drake statue

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by Balham_Green
» 21:15 18 Jun 2020


Daz wrote:
Balham_Green wrote:
Daz wrote: No point talking to Micky about this on here. He’s part of the radical left that won’t even hear let alone consider anyone else’s opinion on this matter. He has bought in to the agenda being driven by BLM.

If he had been on here talking about black on black knife crime and what he is doing to stop that over the last year I’d listen to him.

Innocent white people are killed by police officers in America every single day. That does not fit this narrative though. There are terrible people carrying guns (the police) in America and they don’t care if you are black, white, Asian or a Martian.

George Floyd should not have died, (here comes my “weak justification”) but he was a career criminal who was violent and was known to be armed. He was on drugs and had just committed fraud. He was no angel and should not be used as a poster boy for BLM.


So where's your evidence white people are killed every day? Making it up arent you?
Am fairly sure he wasn't armed either. But dont let the truth get in way of a good story


Here are some American black guys talking about then BLM movement.

https://youtu.be/7ndzCrud_Eo

I didn’t say he was armed at the time. He has been known to be armed with his violent past. I can see why my wording confused you though, that was unintentional though and I will edit.

Do your own research on how many white people have been killed by police. It’s there once you get through Google’s algorithm that talks about black people being killed as a percentage rather than numbers.


Right so we cleared up the armed bit. Good start. :clap:
I am not going to work through algorithms to do YOUR research. You have claimed it so you tell me the figures...
Why are you titled 'cock of the week' by the way?

Re: Sir Francis Drake statue

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by Daz
» 21:21 18 Jun 2020
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I don’t need to research it BG. I can look at both sides left and right and call both out as I often do.

Unfortunately many people on both sides cant.

The cock of the week banner is a private joke between the mods as I voted not to ban you last time we had loads of complaints about you. You’re welcome btw. :thumbup:
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