Doesn't miss the point.It really is simple. Instead of discriminating against anybody ALM embraces everybody which presumably is the objective of the BLM movement.

You just dont get it do you or dont want to? Ave it has done a very good explanation. How hard is that to understand?

You and Ave IT are typical of those who blow everything out of proportion and then try to justify the OTT reaction of a few people.What has a house on fire got to do with the argument about discrmination ? However I forgot that I vowed not to reply to your posts again for fear of encouraging you. I can now add Ave It to the list

Let's put it this way. Your child is very unwell. You are at their bedside and despite doctors telling you they are fighting and showing signs of survival, you can't help but worry.

Would it be right for you to pray for your child at that precise moment in time or should you be praying for all lives? Would you be offended if I said, your thoughts should be with everyone's children and not just your own?

That's where we as a society are right now. Of course all lives matter but at this precise moment in time our focus is on black lives because we are finally recognising that they're not getting the same deal.

Doesn't miss the point.It really is simple. Instead of discriminating against anybody ALM embraces everybody which presumably is the objective of the BLM movement.

You just dont get it do you or dont want to? Ave it has done a very good explanation. How hard is that to understand?

You and Ave IT are typical of those who blow everything out of proportion and then try to justify the OTT reaction of a few people.What has a house on fire got to do with the argument about discrmination ? However I forgot that I vowed not to reply to your posts again for fear of encouraging you. I can now add Ave It to the list

Why does that reply make me think of this quote from Terry Pratchett ?
“Using a metaphor in front of a man as unimaginative as Ridcully was like a red flag to a bu... was like putting something very annoying in front of someone who was annoyed by it”

All lives (should) matter and all lives (should) be valued equally.
All should be treated equally and fairly.
Not an unreasonable demand is it?

Spot on .Should be ALM,all lives matter end of.

Yes, agreed - I believe that is the view of the silent majority

Can I just say that I wasn't seeking to represent the silent majority. I was making a personal comment. I was not advocating a WLM demand or dissing the BLM movement.

Indeed: 'Not an unreasonable demand is it?' was a reference to the equality/fairness sought by BLM and repressed minorities worldwide.

I will fight for equality for all as long as God's great breathing system allows me to!!

Doesn't miss the point.It really is simple. Instead of discriminating against anybody ALM embraces everybody which presumably is the objective of the BLM movement.

You just dont get it do you or dont want to? Ave it has done a very good explanation. How hard is that to understand?

You and Ave IT are typical of those who blow everything out of proportion and then try to justify the OTT reaction of a few people.What has a house on fire got to do with the argument about discrmination ? However I forgot that I vowed not to reply to your posts again for fear of encouraging you. I can now add Ave It to the list

"Blow everything out of proportion"!! just a few hundred years of racism discrimination abuse slavery injustice
No big deal. Some people will never get it.

Doesn't miss the point.It really is simple. Instead of discriminating against anybody ALM embraces everybody which presumably is the objective of the BLM movement.

You just dont get it do you or dont want to? Ave it has done a very good explanation. How hard is that to understand?

You and Ave IT are typical of those who blow everything out of proportion and then try to justify the OTT reaction of a few people.What has a house on fire got to do with the argument about discrmination ? However I forgot that I vowed not to reply to your posts again for fear of encouraging you. I can now add Ave It to the list

Why does that reply make me think of this quote from Terry Pratchett ?
“Using a metaphor in front of a man as unimaginative as Ridcully was like a red flag to a bu... was like putting something very annoying in front of someone who was annoyed by it”

Thank you Ave-it. Your earlier post and this one is somewhat similar to how I explain the difference between all- white and Black lives matter.

If anyone has the time or has seen the movie “A time to kill” with Matthew McConnhaty (spelling) he does a very good summing up at the end.

In the film he asks the white jury to close their eyes whilst he describes the abduction, rape and attempted murder that set I motion Samuel L Jackson’s character to shoot to hillbillies and the final line of the summation “and imagine she’s white!” is a very powerful moment.

Now imagine Floyd George being white, or imagine the EMT worker shot 8 times in her own living room by a policeman, imagine her as white. Imagine a predominantly black police force carrying out murders of white men and women in broad daylight and you’ll understand why Black Lives Matter.

I watched a video clip of a college football game and whilst some of the black players had taken a knee some hadn’t, right up to the line “in the land of the free”. At this point all the remaining black players took a knee but stood again for the next line “and the home of the brave”. A moment to convince people that they were not against veterans or the American Flag just the injustice of their home.

Let's put it this way. Your child is very unwell. You are at their bedside and despite doctors telling you they are fighting and showing signs of survival, you can't help but worry.

Would it be right for you to pray for your child at that precise moment in time or should you be praying for all lives? Would you be offended if I said, your thoughts should be with everyone's children and not just your own?

That's where we as a society are right now. Of course all lives matter but at this precise moment in time our focus is on black lives because we are finally recognising that they're not getting the same deal.

Can't speak for other countries but here in Australia the indigenous get a far better deal.
$30 + billion spent yearly purely on indigenous organisations and housing, despite having equal access to all other government departments.
Easier access to education and university.
Mining royalties from all over Australia.
Indigenous only fishing and hunting rights
Vast areas of land that only the indigenous have access.
There are many others, dog allowance etc

Of course many free loaders have been claiming to be indigenous in order to enjoy these exclusive rights.
Is it any wonder there is a divide!
NB. Let's not forget the 70% of murders, rapes , (of children too) and assaults on indigenous women and children are committed by the indigenous themselves!

So here in Oz you can understand why BLM is treated cynically by so many.
For reference look up Jacinta Price, a sensible indigenous activist.

Let's put it this way. Your child is very unwell. You are at their bedside and despite doctors telling you they are fighting and showing signs of survival, you can't help but worry.

Would it be right for you to pray for your child at that precise moment in time or should you be praying for all lives? Would you be offended if I said, your thoughts should be with everyone's children and not just your own?

That's where we as a society are right now. Of course all lives matter but at this precise moment in time our focus is on black lives because we are finally recognising that they're not getting the same deal.

Can't speak for other countries but here in Australia the indigenous get a far better deal.
$30 + billion spent yearly purely on indigenous organisations and housing, despite having equal access to all other government departments.
Easier access to education and university.
Mining royalties from all over Australia.
Indigenous only fishing and hunting rights
Vast areas of land that only the indigenous have access.
There are many others, dog allowance etc

Of course many free loaders have been claiming to be indigenous in order to enjoy these exclusive rights.
Is it any wonder there is a divide!
NB. Let's not forget the 70% of murders, rapes , (of children too) and assaults on indigenous women and children are committed by the indigenous themselves!

So here in Oz you can understand why BLM is treated cynically by so many.
For reference look up Jacinta Price, a sensible indigenous activist.

Now why are we not surprised at your defence of the oppressed white settlers from the oppressive indigenous population.

I sympathise with your terrible situation and it must be awful to be discriminated against. The indigenous population are so ungrateful at not seeing the light and accepting our superior Western values.

After all, for thousands of years they have ignored the gifts of minerals and riches that our great lord has provided, so it is their own fault that they now miss out. If only they would integrate and treat us equally I'm sure we would all get along just fine.

A few years ago I was in the philippines for the first time having been invited there by the family to see her sons graduation from high school as I had helped sponsor his education for ten years through save the children.
Anyway we went to manila (taguig) and whilst there one day returning to our condo there was a filipine mother and her young daughter who had japanese looks. On getting out I said to Rona the young girl probably thinks herself lucky living here whereas her classmates are living in tin can city outside. I was surprised by her reply which was I doubt it she probably suffers terrible racism because she has been born of foreign father. I have related this to show racism isnt black against white or white against black it's a worldwide thing.
Our conversation then went onto were her classmates being racist or was it a social problem caused by resentment and the fact that she was living in relative comfort whereas they were in what I describe as tin can city.
The same can be said here I consider the silent majority on the whole is not deep down racist but there is a deep social problem caused by historical racism Ave it the other day was giving figures out about percentages of bosses of companies etc then said about children and education etc. Surely this shows that the problem is social rather than racial so the children start getting promoted into the top jobs. As I said to Rona sort the social problems out and you will stop a lot of the problems about racism.

Let's put it this way. Your child is very unwell. You are at their bedside and despite doctors telling you they are fighting and showing signs of survival, you can't help but worry.

Would it be right for you to pray for your child at that precise moment in time or should you be praying for all lives? Would you be offended if I said, your thoughts should be with everyone's children and not just your own?

That's where we as a society are right now. Of course all lives matter but at this precise moment in time our focus is on black lives because we are finally recognising that they're not getting the same deal.

Can't speak for other countries but here in Australia the indigenous get a far better deal.
$30 + billion spent yearly purely on indigenous organisations and housing, despite having equal access to all other government departments.
Easier access to education and university.
Mining royalties from all over Australia.
Indigenous only fishing and hunting rights
Vast areas of land that only the indigenous have access.
There are many others, dog allowance etc

Of course many free loaders have been claiming to be indigenous in order to enjoy these exclusive rights.
Is it any wonder there is a divide!
NB. Let's not forget the 70% of murders, rapes , (of children too) and assaults on indigenous women and children are committed by the indigenous themselves!

So here in Oz you can understand why BLM is treated cynically by so many.
For reference look up Jacinta Price, a sensible indigenous activist.

Now why are we not surprised at your defence of the oppressed white settlers from the oppressive indigenous population.

I sympathise with your terrible situation and it must be awful to be discriminated against. The indigenous population are so ungrateful at not seeing the light and accepting our superior Western values.

After all, for thousands of years they have ignored the gifts of minerals and riches that our great lord has provided, so it is their own fault that they now miss out. If only they would integrate and treat us equally I'm sure we would all get along just fine.

Oh dear, why am I not surprised at an idiotic reply from clueless, ignorant, virtue signalling plonker who has absolutely no idea, as shown by your laughable post.
When you have lived in Alice Springs for a few years, and all over Australia for many more, and mixed with the broad cross section of Australian society, get back to me.

PS. How are the riots in Brixton going these days?

I consider the silent majority on the whole is not deep down racist but there is a deep social problem caused by historical racism Ave it the other day was giving figures out about percentages of bosses of companies etc then said about children and education etc. Surely this shows that the problem is social rather than racial so the children start getting promoted into the top jobs. As I said to Rona sort the social problems out and you will stop a lot of the problems about racism.

Sadly that’s just not true though. I mean – you are quite correct that the social class you are born into profoundly affects your life chances in all sorts of ways – health, education, crime, career prospects etc. etc. That’s what us lefty types constantly bang on about . Being born poor anywhere is really bad news for your life chances……. But it is much better to be born poor and white than to be born poor and black. That’s the whole point of BLM. To argue that is not true is simply ignoring the evidence that is all around us in so many spheres of life. If society wasn't discriminatory then social mobility in the US, UK or the other predominantly white countries would be equally possible for a poor black kid as for a poor white kid. It isn't. It simply isn't.

I consider the silent majority on the whole is not deep down racist but there is a deep social problem caused by historical racism Ave it the other day was giving figures out about percentages of bosses of companies etc then said about children and education etc. Surely this shows that the problem is social rather than racial so the children start getting promoted into the top jobs. As I said to Rona sort the social problems out and you will stop a lot of the problems about racism.

Sadly that’s just not true though. I mean – you are quite correct that the social class you are born into profoundly affects your life chances in all sorts of ways – health, education, crime, career prospects etc. etc. That’s what us lefty types constantly bang on about . Being born poor anywhere is really bad news for your life chances……. But it is much better to be born poor and white than to be born poor and black. That’s the whole point of BLM. To argue that is not true is simply ignoring the evidence that is all around us in so many spheres of life. If society wasn't discriminatory then social mobility in the US, UK or the other predominantly white countries would be equally possible for a poor black kid as for a poor white kid. It isn't. It simply isn't.

I cant say about the United states only ever visited as a tourist but for the uk is it racism or social problems as I have stated. Plymouth is not really an ideal place for this but what percentage of a workforce would you expect to be of other ethenticity from white. If you took say Brixton you should expect the work force demographics to be then opposite side ethenticity. It's a fact of numbers that 81 per cent of the united kingdom is white so if you dont want positive racism only 2 jobs in 10 go to people of non white ethenticity. So as you say it's harder for poor black children over poor white children but it isnt racism it's purely demographics of the nation. I am not saying nothing can be done about it, it can but that involves breaking up areas of high unemployment and crime like Plymouth has done to Swilly.

It's a fact of numbers that 81 per cent of the united kingdom is white so if you dont want positive racism only 2 jobs in 10 go to people of non white ethenticity. So as you say it's harder for poor black children over poor white children but it isnt racism it's purely demographics of the nation. I am not saying nothing can be done about it, it can but that involves breaking up areas of high unemployment and crime like Plymouth has done to Swilly.

But there are two factors to consider i.e. racial discrimination that blunts life chances and socio-economic factors that (as you agree) also blunts life chances. The two are inextricably linked - the first results in and exacerbates the second. As I said before being poor is a handicap but being poor and black is a double whammy.

Social demographics alone cannot account for the clear disparities in the proportions of black people right across the whole social spectrum – from police to doctors to judges to business leaders to politicians. There is hard academic evidence for this from the Joseph Rowntree foundation who investigated the question of ‘persistent poverty’ amongst BME and concluded:-

“……the experience of racism and discrimination when seeking and attempting to progress in work can create barriers to being able to move out of poverty. The risk of remaining in persistent poverty is especially high for African, Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups.

Educational attainment does not have a straightforward impact on success in the labour market for BME groups: while rates of academic attainment are higher among most BME groups than for White British groups, 40% of African and 39% of Bangladeshi graduates are overqualified for their roles”