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Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 20:42 29 Aug 2020
by MickyD
Larry David wrote: Couple of takeaways for me from this whole debate. Firstly people who say “if you don’t agree with BLM you must agree with fascism” really? So if I’m not a Marxist I must be a fascist? Stupid argument. Secondly if everything is racist then ultimately nothing is. Think about that for a second.

If anybody in real life - not just anecdotally - has actually said that, then of course it's a stupid argument, and one would be hard pressed to find anyone who thought otherwise..

Conversely, it's interesting to note how often these days so many people are lazily described as Radical Left or Marxist when they're very clearly nothing of the sort,.

Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 07:12 31 Aug 2020
by Larry David
Yep it cuts both ways. And I have had people actually say to me that if you don’t agree with the BLM Movement or ANTIFA then you are a fascist. I just like to think in my own simple way I don’t like extremists of any denomination despite the BBC or SKY telling me to think differently.

It’s a bit like the idea that brexit has been voted for by that mythical creature the gammon. It conjures up a cosy image of a puce faced wealthy middle class boomer frothing at the mouth about Johnny Foreigner coming over here stealing benefits and jobs.

The sad fact of the matter is it’s the jobless and low income working class in Labours heartlands who feel alienated and disenfranchised who voted in their droves for Brexit and for the Tories in the last election.

It’s convenient for Labour and those who wish to remain to pretend otherwise but it ain’t the truth.

Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 09:22 31 Aug 2020
by Pilgrim_Joe
Larry David wrote: Yep it cuts both ways. And I have had people actually say to me that if you don’t agree with the BLM Movement or ANTIFA then you are a fascist. I just like to think in my own simple way I don’t like extremists of any denomination despite the BBC or SKY telling me to think differently.

It’s a bit like the idea that brexit has been voted for by that mythical creature the gammon. It conjures up a cosy image of a puce faced wealthy middle class boomer frothing at the mouth about Johnny Foreigner coming over here stealing benefits and jobs.

The sad fact of the matter is it’s the jobless and low income working class in Labours heartlands who feel alienated and disenfranchised who voted in their droves for Brexit and for the Tories in the last election.

It’s convenient for Labour and those who wish to remain to pretend otherwise but it ain’t the truth.


I still don't get this attempt to polarise every discussion about Brexit as leave / remain.

Discussion now is to as to whether the actual matches the promise as things are starting to play out.

With regard to the disaffected do you believe they'll be better off once we properly leave, or will others much further up food chain reap whatever benefits there are? :think:

Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 09:36 31 Aug 2020
by Larry David
No but that’s not the issue really the issue is that they felt they had nothing to lose and to a degree I think they are right. If you feel you don’t matter and you can’t see a future what have you got to lose? I have no idea what the future holds but I guess the ones who will feel it most are the people who wanted to maintain the status quo.

Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 10:35 31 Aug 2020
by Pilgrim_Joe
Larry David wrote: No but that’s not the issue really the issue is that they felt they had nothing to lose and to a degree I think they are right. If you feel you don’t matter and you can’t see a future what have you got to lose? I have no idea what the future holds but I guess the ones who will feel it most are the people who wanted to maintain the status quo.



I'd have to disagree on that one. It very much is the issue for me personally.

If those at the bottom cannot see that things will go down rather than up they're in for a shock. It's already been publicly stated that the intention now is to create a Singapore on Sea. I'd hazard a guess that will be all to do with increasing margins and have very little to do with enriching those at the bottom.

Those who wanted to maintain the status quo were the businesses who enjoyed frictionless trade with our nearest neighbours, after being sold a lie about less regulation and insisting that there would be less red tape as expected we now learn there will be more red tape including customs declarations for Ireland.

Not pro or anti, just calling it as I see it playing out. Boris somewhat unsurprisingly giving his past record seems to be telling constant porkies on a daily basis.

All aboard the good ship no deal. We'll never have it so good, so Boris tells us :funny:

Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 11:31 31 Aug 2020
by signalspast
Pilgrim_Joe wrote:
Larry David wrote: No but that’s not the issue really the issue is that they felt they had nothing to lose and to a degree I think they are right. If you feel you don’t matter and you can’t see a future what have you got to lose? I have no idea what the future holds but I guess the ones who will feel it most are the people who wanted to maintain the status quo.



I'd have to disagree on that one. It very much is the issue for me personally.

If those at the bottom cannot see that things will go down rather than up they're in for a shock. It's already been publicly stated that the intention now is to create a Singapore on Sea. I'd hazard a guess that will be all to do with increasing margins and have very little to do with enriching those at the bottom.

Those who wanted to maintain the status quo were the businesses who enjoyed frictionless trade with our nearest neighbours, after being sold a lie about less regulation and insisting that there would be less red tape as expected we now learn there will be more red tape including customs declarations for Ireland.

Not pro or anti, just calling it as I see it playing out. Boris somewhat unsurprisingly giving his past record seems to be telling constant porkies on a daily basis.

All aboard the good ship no deal. We'll never have it so good, so Boris tells us :funny:


Singapore on Sea is a remainer myth the point is we already have it irelands corporation tax is 12.5 whereas the uk is 19 per cent. Singapore that everybody quotes is 17 per cent. So you see we already have it within the EU.

Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 17:16 31 Aug 2020
by Pilgrim_Joe
signalspast wrote:
Pilgrim_Joe wrote:
Larry David wrote: No but that’s not the issue really the issue is that they felt they had nothing to lose and to a degree I think they are right. If you feel you don’t matter and you can’t see a future what have you got to lose? I have no idea what the future holds but I guess the ones who will feel it most are the people who wanted to maintain the status quo.



I'd have to disagree on that one. It very much is the issue for me personally.

If those at the bottom cannot see that things will go down rather than up they're in for a shock. It's already been publicly stated that the intention now is to create a Singapore on Sea. I'd hazard a guess that will be all to do with increasing margins and have very little to do with enriching those at the bottom.

Those who wanted to maintain the status quo were the businesses who enjoyed frictionless trade with our nearest neighbours, after being sold a lie about less regulation and insisting that there would be less red tape as expected we now learn there will be more red tape including customs declarations for Ireland.

Not pro or anti, just calling it as I see it playing out. Boris somewhat unsurprisingly giving his past record seems to be telling constant porkies on a daily basis.

All aboard the good ship no deal. We'll never have it so good, so Boris tells us :funny:


Singapore on Sea is a remainer myth the point is we already have it irelands corporation tax is 12.5 whereas the uk is 19 per cent. Singapore that everybody quotes is 17 per cent. So you see we already have it within the EU.



19% now - do you seriously believe it won't be reduced.

Just a pragmatic observation

Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 21:23 31 Aug 2020
by signalspast
Pilgrim_Joe wrote:
signalspast wrote:
Pilgrim_Joe wrote:
Larry David wrote: No but that’s not the issue really the issue is that they felt they had nothing to lose and to a degree I think they are right. If you feel you don’t matter and you can’t see a future what have you got to lose? I have no idea what the future holds but I guess the ones who will feel it most are the people who wanted to maintain the status quo.



I'd have to disagree on that one. It very much is the issue for me personally.

If those at the bottom cannot see that things will go down rather than up they're in for a shock. It's already been publicly stated that the intention now is to create a Singapore on Sea. I'd hazard a guess that will be all to do with increasing margins and have very little to do with enriching those at the bottom.

Those who wanted to maintain the status quo were the businesses who enjoyed frictionless trade with our nearest neighbours, after being sold a lie about less regulation and insisting that there would be less red tape as expected we now learn there will be more red tape including customs declarations for Ireland.

Not pro or anti, just calling it as I see it playing out. Boris somewhat unsurprisingly giving his past record seems to be telling constant porkies on a daily basis.

All aboard the good ship no deal. We'll never have it so good, so Boris tells us :funny:


Singapore on Sea is a remainer myth the point is we already have it irelands corporation tax is 12.5 whereas the uk is 19 per cent. Singapore that everybody quotes is 17 per cent. So you see we already have it within the EU.



19% now - do you seriously believe it won't be reduced.

Just a pragmatic observation


Due to the virus I think its more likely to go up to 20 per cent. This will still be below both France and Germany who at present is 25 and 30 per cent.
If they dont raise it I really cannot see them lowering it however should they decide to lower it they wont do it overnight it would be over a period of time it comes down say half a per cent per year to the level they wish
What has been said will happen is the creation of free ports where there will be no tax on components imported to build finished products. The tax will become payable if its rhen imported into the rest of the country. EU do have free zones but they are restricted in what they can do. For instance the canary islands is one with a tax of 4 per cent whereas the rest of spain is 25 per cent.
Oh Plymouth has applied to be a free port area which will increase employment within the city should we be chosen

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 20:13 05 Sep 2020
by gaspargomez
Did they do that silly kneeling down before kick off ?

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 20:57 05 Sep 2020
by David Friio's mate
gaspargomez wrote: Did they do that silly kneeling down before kick off ?



Don't be an arse, mate.

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 21:31 05 Sep 2020
by gaspargomez
David Friio's mate wrote:
gaspargomez wrote: Did they do that silly kneeling down before kick off ?



Don't be an arse, mate.


Did they kneel down or not ? Simple enough question.

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 21:41 05 Sep 2020
by Justin
gaspargomez wrote:
David Friio's mate wrote:
gaspargomez wrote: Did they do that silly kneeling down before kick off ?



Don't be an arse, mate.


Did they kneel down or not ? Simple enough question.


You're definitely being an arse.

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 07:43 06 Sep 2020
by The Doctor
Justin wrote:
gaspargomez wrote:
David Friio's mate wrote:
gaspargomez wrote: Did they do that silly kneeling down before kick off ?



Don't be an arse, mate.


Did they kneel down or not ? Simple enough question.


You're definitely being an arse.


Why ask the question? There is a 50:50 chance you won’t like the answer if you get one whereas at the moment you can be content assuming that they didn’t.

I can tell you that they didn’t do the ‘silly’ kneeling down. But I’ll leave you to fret a bit more about whether they took the knee.