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Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 07:56 06 Sep 2020
by Martyn
Taking the knee is definitely NOT silly.

It is really important, and essential.

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 08:17 06 Sep 2020
by Devongreenowl
He asks a valid question but should have omitted the word 'silly'.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/foo ... -the-knee-

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 08:49 06 Sep 2020
by IJN
I think it simply easier to ask why he thought he needed to ask the question on here.

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 09:04 06 Sep 2020
by Abbotts Ann Green
Perhaps it’s because as other posters have suggested it’s because he’s an arse?

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 09:14 06 Sep 2020
by Devongreenowl
Abbotts Ann Green wrote: Perhaps it’s because as other posters have suggested it’s because he’s an arse?


Fair enough then. Abuse all round for Gaspargomez. :sigh:

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 09:17 06 Sep 2020
by gaspargomez
A weakness of PASOTI is that it isn’t a proper discussion forum- it’s a vehicle for people to agree with everything the site owner says. Or you get trolled.
I reckon around 90% of the posts on here are made by around 50 people, many of which just like to keep on side with IJN. So there’s very little room for alternative opinions.

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 09:23 06 Sep 2020
by up_the_line
gaspargomez wrote: A weakness of PASOTI is that it isn’t a proper discussion forum- it’s a vehicle for people to agree with everything the site owner says. Or you get trolled.
I reckon around 90% of the posts on here are made by around 50 people, many of which just like to keep on side with IJN. So there’s very little room for alternative opinions.


There's an entire 'opinions' forum where you can unleash your inner daily mail frothing anger to your hearts content. Maybe go and post there if you wake up on a Sunday and your first, most pressing concern is whether the players took a knee before the match since it triggers you so much

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 09:34 06 Sep 2020
by Bryan_Tregunna
gaspargomez wrote: A weakness of PASOTI is that it isn’t a proper discussion forum- it’s a vehicle for people to agree with everything the site owner says. Or you get trolled.
I reckon around 90% of the posts on here are made by around 50 people, many of which just like to keep on side with IJN. So there’s very little room for alternative opinions.

Sorry GG, but your post was inappropriate (regardless of the site owner's opinion).

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 09:41 06 Sep 2020
by Devongreenowl
The only reason it may have been inappropriate was due to its tone and not the actual subject matter

Re: QPR match thread

Posted: 17:00 06 Sep 2020
by Ponty
gaspargomez wrote: A weakness of PASOTI is that it isn’t a proper discussion forum- it’s a vehicle for people to agree with everything the site owner says. Or you get trolled.
I reckon around 90% of the posts on here are made by around 50 people, many of which just like to keep on side with IJN. So there’s very little room for alternative opinions.

Not quite true Gaspar.

IJN regularly gets out voted on the Mod board which you obviously can't see.

He takes it like a man as well.

Most times...

Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 19:12 12 Sep 2020
by Greenrod
Noticed Argyle and Blackpool did not take the knee today.
Still doing it in the Premier and Championship.

Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 16:42 14 Sep 2020
by GreenThing
Lewis Hamilton missed the kneeling at the Italian GP. Apparently he didn’t realise the time and when asked about it he said that it wasn’t that important and he’ll be there next time. Well it seemed pretty important when he was calling Grosjean a racist in the press.

Re: BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

Posted: 18:02 14 Sep 2020
by briangreen
Ade the green wrote:
mervyn wrote: Very interesting post Ade, and I guess your interpretation depends on where your coming from. I have a family member who has written extensively about the Spanish civil war, and he is confident that this is where the raised clenched fist originated, as a popular front and anti-fascist salute.

It was picked up by students in the 60s Paris riots, and in my memory simply stood at the time as a symbol against common oppression.

I think the fact it became the black panther symbol (in the 70s?) may have given it a more threatening symbolism, but I still think most of my generation (in my 70s) see it as a universal anger felt by the treatment of minorities.



I don’t believe the raised fist salute can be attributed to any one time and imagine it has symbolism dating back to early civilisations as a form of salutation as I would assume the same for what we would call the Nazi forearmed salute now.

For symbolism to have any resonance it must be validated by time and date - pre or post 1930s Germany for example. I doubt anyone making that motion could argue it’s a Buddhist welcome sign. In the same way I doubt anybody making the clenched fist salute is doing so without taking reference to Tommy Smith.

There have been numerous footballers sited for making the Nazi salute:

Mark Bosnich, Paolo Di Canio, Joey Barton and Wayne Hennessy have all been charged with doing so with various degrees of backsliding grovelling apologies. If after 70 years this still has the power to shock maybe the black power salute needs to be quietly left out of the symbolism today before it takes on a more sinister meaning?


Clenched fist = south African communist party now anc