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Expats in the EU

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by Lousy_Pint
» 17:18 10 Dec 2020
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As the transition period comes to an end and the impact of Brexit on expats starts to emerge from the fog, I'd like to start this thread with the aim of sharing any useful info with any other Pasoti-ites in the same boat as me (if it is the wrong forum Mods, feel free to move).

I live in Italy and receive a company pension from England, as well as working part-time as a sole trader. Luckily, I am not subject to any Italian taxes, etc., so things aren't too complicated... yet.

But, so far, I have changed my driving licence to an Italian one and am in the process of changing my bank account. My English bank informed me I could not keep my account as I don't have residence in the UK.
I may have to update my Italian residency documents and am currently waiting for guidance on that.
Other things that have or may change are travelling arrangements to and from the UK. It will be important to check the time remaining on your passport, use different queues at airports, docks, etc and be careful how long you can stay for, home or abroad. There are also updates to travelling with pets, visas, car insurance, health insurance and EHIC cards and the list goes on and on.

The gov.uk site is a very good starting point for gleaning information.

But, if any of you guys have any other tips, advice or experiences, post them on here.

And good luck, I think we will need it!!
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by Martyn
» 20:03 10 Dec 2020


You see what it leads to when the majority of mindless Brexiters, who voted to leave the EU, just because they wanted to get rid of all the foreigners,

Who would have thought it would lead to all of this sh1t !!

Just because of some stupid dogma

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by signalspast
» 20:44 10 Dec 2020


Lousy_Pint wrote: As the transition period comes to an end and the impact of Brexit on expats starts to emerge from the fog, I'd like to start this thread with the aim of sharing any useful info with any other Pasoti-ites in the same boat as me (if it is the wrong forum Mods, feel free to move).

I live in Italy and receive a company pension from England, as well as working part-time as a sole trader. Luckily, I am not subject to any Italian taxes, etc., so things aren't too complicated... yet.

But, so far, I have changed my driving licence to an Italian one and am in the process of changing my bank account. My English bank informed me I could not keep my account as I don't have residence in the UK.
I may have to update my Italian residency documents and am currently waiting for guidance on that.
Other things that have or may change are travelling arrangements to and from the UK. It will be important to check the time remaining on your passport, use different queues at airports, docks, etc and be careful how long you can stay for, home or abroad. There are also updates to travelling with pets, visas, car insurance, health insurance and EHIC cards and the list goes on and on.

The gov.uk site is a very good starting point for gleaning information.

But, if any of you guys have any other tips, advice or experiences, post them on here.

And good luck, I think we will need it!!


Have you thought of citizenship i know the Polish family i paid to take it up in the UK it took nearly eighteen months for them to get it.

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by mervyn
» 21:14 10 Dec 2020


Thank heavens that one of my sons with a family in Sweden now has dual citizenship. On the question of working abroad I feel desperately sorry that my grandchildren will not enjoy the ERASMUS benefits that my children did. As a consequence they worked in Berlin, Vienna, Bologna and Stockholm, with experiences that truly have helped the rest of their lives. All denied to my grandchildren by small-minded little islanders with no imagination or concern for anything outside these shores. Never thought I would ever be so ashamed to be British.
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by oldage
» 22:01 10 Dec 2020


mervyn wrote: Thank heavens that one of my sons with a family in Sweden now has dual citizenship. On the question of working abroad I feel desperately sorry that my grandchildren will not enjoy the ERASMUS benefits that my children did. As a consequence they worked in Berlin, Vienna, Bologna and Stockholm, with experiences that truly have helped the rest of their lives. All denied to my grandchildren by small-minded little islanders with no imagination or concern for anything outside these shores. Never thought I would ever be so ashamed to be British.

If you are so ashamed to be British why stay?

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by Martyn
» 22:31 10 Dec 2020


oldage wrote:
mervyn wrote: Thank heavens that one of my sons with a family in Sweden now has dual citizenship. On the question of working abroad I feel desperately sorry that my grandchildren will not enjoy the ERASMUS benefits that my children did. As a consequence they worked in Berlin, Vienna, Bologna and Stockholm, with experiences that truly have helped the rest of their lives. All denied to my grandchildren by small-minded little islanders with no imagination or concern for anything outside these shores. Never thought I would ever be so ashamed to be British.

If you are so ashamed to be British why stay?


I am ashamed and embarrassed of little englanders like you.

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by Guiri Green
» 22:41 10 Dec 2020


We spend approximately half the year in each of Spain/ UK.

There's been a last minute rush for those that want to, for driving licence changes and NIE / TIE, residency applications. There does seem to be as much confusion there as there is in the UK. Ask 10 different people and you get 10 different answers.

We've mainly worked on a 90 days rotation, and as we're staying based in the UK - that's where our financial interests lie, post BREXIT we won't don't expect things to be much different in how we divide our time.

The passport queues and possibly slower exits out of the airport are bridges we'll have to cross when we encounter them. I have previously popped home for the bigger Argyle games so hopefully, it won't be too much of a bugbear should I decide to do it in the future.

We take our pets with us and have already ascertained (as far as we can be sure) the new paperwork and certification required to take them to and fro. Although the local Vets weren't 100% and our Couriers have had to add DEFRA registrations to their Spanish company ones.

Our health insurance is currently set up for extended stays and travel despite FCO Recommendations. We're yet to hear what post EHIC cost increases to expect if no reciprocal health agreements are met, or whether the local Urgencias will turn us scurvy Brits away at the door, in which case, the private health sector will make even more money out of us.

We use an online Euro bank account although it has a UK IBAN which won't be a problem in the future. Incidentally, a lot of Spanish companies won't accept a non Spanish IBAN despite (as I understand it) EU rules say they should.

I voted remain but accepted it was happening ages ago and we prepared ourselves as best we could rather than waste energy and emotions fretting over the result.

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by oldage
» 09:18 11 Dec 2020


Martyn wrote:
oldage wrote:
mervyn wrote: Thank heavens that one of my sons with a family in Sweden now has dual citizenship. On the question of working abroad I feel desperately sorry that my grandchildren will not enjoy the ERASMUS benefits that my children did. As a consequence they worked in Berlin, Vienna, Bologna and Stockholm, with experiences that truly have helped the rest of their lives. All denied to my grandchildren by small-minded little islanders with no imagination or concern for anything outside these shores. Never thought I would ever be so ashamed to be British.

If you are so ashamed to be British why stay?


I am ashamed and embarrassed of little englanders like you.

Your opinion but as you do not know me I will take your comment with the contempt it deserves .We "little englanders" ,unlike you ,have faith in our own country . The fact is we have left Europe and there is nothing you can do about it. Get used to the idea.

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by oldage
» 09:25 11 Dec 2020


Guiri Green wrote: We spend approximately half the year in each of Spain/ UK.

There's been a last minute rush for those that want to, for driving licence changes and NIE / TIE, residency applications. There does seem to be as much confusion there as there is in the UK. Ask 10 different people and you get 10 different answers.

We've mainly worked on a 90 days rotation, and as we're staying based in the UK - that's where our financial interests lie, post BREXIT we won't don't expect things to be much different in how we divide our time.

The passport queues and possibly slower exits out of the airport are bridges we'll have to cross when we encounter them. I have previously popped home for the bigger Argyle games so hopefully, it won't be too much of a bugbear should I decide to do it in the future.

We take our pets with us and have already ascertained (as far as we can be sure) the new paperwork and certification required to take them to and fro. Although the local Vets weren't 100% and our Couriers have had to add DEFRA registrations to their Spanish company ones.

Our health insurance is currently set up for extended stays and travel despite FCO Recommendations. We're yet to hear what post EHIC cost increases to expect if no reciprocal health agreements are met, or whether the local Urgencias will turn us scurvy Brits away at the door, in which case, the private health sector will make even more money out of us.

We use an online Euro bank account although it has a UK IBAN which won't be a problem in the future. Incidentally, a lot of Spanish companies won't accept a non Spanish IBAN despite (as I understand it) EU rules say they should.

I voted remain but accepted it was happening ages ago and we prepared ourselves as best we could rather than waste energy and emotions fretting over the result.

I applaud your last paragraph. :clap:

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by mervyn
» 09:30 11 Dec 2020


oldage wrote:
mervyn wrote: Thank heavens that one of my sons with a family in Sweden now has dual citizenship. On the question of working abroad I feel desperately sorry that my grandchildren will not enjoy the ERASMUS benefits that my children did. As a consequence they worked in Berlin, Vienna, Bologna and Stockholm, with experiences that truly have helped the rest of their lives. All denied to my grandchildren by small-minded little islanders with no imagination or concern for anything outside these shores. Never thought I would ever be so ashamed to be British.

If you are so ashamed to be British why stay?


Because I don’t want to start a new life abroad at the age of 74. Perfectly reasonable.
Remember, I before E except when you run a feisty heist on a weird foreign neighbour in Chudleigh.

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by Guiri Green
» 09:39 11 Dec 2020


oldage wrote:
Guiri Green wrote: We spend approximately half the year in each of Spain/ UK.

There's been a last minute rush for those that want to, for driving licence changes and NIE / TIE, residency applications. There does seem to be as much confusion there as there is in the UK. Ask 10 different people and you get 10 different answers.

We've mainly worked on a 90 days rotation, and as we're staying based in the UK - that's where our financial interests lie, post BREXIT we won't don't expect things to be much different in how we divide our time.

The passport queues and possibly slower exits out of the airport are bridges we'll have to cross when we encounter them. I have previously popped home for the bigger Argyle games so hopefully, it won't be too much of a bugbear should I decide to do it in the future.

We take our pets with us and have already ascertained (as far as we can be sure) the new paperwork and certification required to take them to and fro. Although the local Vets weren't 100% and our Couriers have had to add DEFRA registrations to their Spanish company ones.

Our health insurance is currently set up for extended stays and travel despite FCO Recommendations. We're yet to hear what post EHIC cost increases to expect if no reciprocal health agreements are met, or whether the local Urgencias will turn us scurvy Brits away at the door, in which case, the private health sector will make even more money out of us.

We use an online Euro bank account although it has a UK IBAN which won't be a problem in the future. Incidentally, a lot of Spanish companies won't accept a non Spanish IBAN despite (as I understand it) EU rules say they should.

I voted remain but accepted it was happening ages ago and we prepared ourselves as best we could rather than waste energy and emotions fretting over the result.

I applaud your last paragraph. :clap:


The irony to me is that a lot of those calling out "little englanders" come across as whingeing poms (apt with talk of an Australian deal) which is just as bad.

It's done. Anyone who genuinely wants the best for their kids / grandkids should want BREXIT to be a success to give them best of chances in the future, not a total disaster just so they could say they "told us so".

I've seen the intellectual snobbery on social media. Most of it coming from people who probably only rarely leave the UK to go to Santorini once a year. Some I doubt even hold passports.

We've been dropped into the middle of a sh8tty puddle strewn field, you can either just stand their moaning about the cold and smell for the next few years, or you can walk to the higher drier ground and move on from there.

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by oldage
» 10:14 11 Dec 2020


mervyn wrote:
oldage wrote:
mervyn wrote: Thank heavens that one of my sons with a family in Sweden now has dual citizenship. On the question of working abroad I feel desperately sorry that my grandchildren will not enjoy the ERASMUS benefits that my children did. As a consequence they worked in Berlin, Vienna, Bologna and Stockholm, with experiences that truly have helped the rest of their lives. All denied to my grandchildren by small-minded little islanders with no imagination or concern for anything outside these shores. Never thought I would ever be so ashamed to be British.

If you are so ashamed to be British why stay?


Because I don’t want to start a new life abroad at the age of 74. Perfectly reasonable.

Ah, that figures.At your age you know there is no better place to live.

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by Quinny
» 10:31 11 Dec 2020


Can we drop the term "expats", please? It's a nice, cosy word used by the likes of the Daily Heil to make Brits seem different to everyone else. Those who chose to live overseas are as much expats as those from Poland or Romania who come to the UK to live/work are. But no - we have to refer to them as "migrants".

Brits living abroad are migrants, as much as those from Eastern Europe are who come here.
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