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Re: Brexit Island

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by mervyn
» 13:12 27 Dec 2020


signalspast wrote:
mervyn wrote: According to the BBC’s genuinely independent ‘facts check’ dept, New Zealand will have easier customs access to the EU on foodstuffs than the UK. I suspect as days go by this deal will start to look thinner and thinner.


Merv whilst I dont consider the bbc to be impartial over brexit I would be I interested in seeing what they have to say could you please post a link.
Also what do you think of rhe new scheme in place or erasmus as I know it was one of the things that bothered you by brexit.


Don’t have a link signals, but I’m pretty sure I heard it mentioned on the today programme. I know for certain I heard it, but I listen to so much radio that I can’t be precise about the source. You’ve read my mind about the Erasmus replacement scheme. I’ve been trying to find details, as has my daughter, (she’s a teacher who has organised Erasmus exchanges for her students), but neither of us can find any info yet.
Remember, I before E except when you run a feisty heist on a weird foreign neighbour in Chudleigh.

Re: Brexit Island

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by MickyD
» 13:43 27 Dec 2020


mervyn wrote:
signalspast wrote:
mervyn wrote: According to the BBC’s genuinely independent ‘facts check’ dept, New Zealand will have easier customs access to the EU on foodstuffs than the UK. I suspect as days go by this deal will start to look thinner and thinner.


Merv whilst I dont consider the bbc to be impartial over brexit I would be I interested in seeing what they have to say could you please post a link.
Also what do you think of rhe new scheme in place or erasmus as I know it was one of the things that bothered you by brexit.


Don’t have a link signals, but I’m pretty sure I heard it mentioned on the today programme. I know for certain I heard it, but I listen to so much radio that I can’t be precise about the source. You’ve read my mind about the Erasmus replacement scheme. I’ve been trying to find details, as has my daughter, (she’s a teacher who has organised Erasmus exchanges for her students), but neither of us can find any info yet.

We're going to get a shiny new "Turing" scheme, theoretically beginning in September 2021.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... ork-abroad
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Re: Brexit Island

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by mervyn
» 13:47 27 Dec 2020


MickyD wrote:
mervyn wrote:
signalspast wrote:
mervyn wrote: According to the BBC’s genuinely independent ‘facts check’ dept, New Zealand will have easier customs access to the EU on foodstuffs than the UK. I suspect as days go by this deal will start to look thinner and thinner.


Merv whilst I dont consider the bbc to be impartial over brexit I would be I interested in seeing what they have to say could you please post a link.
Also what do you think of rhe new scheme in place or erasmus as I know it was one of the things that bothered you by brexit.


Don’t have a link signals, but I’m pretty sure I heard it mentioned on the today programme. I know for certain I heard it, but I listen to so much radio that I can’t be precise about the source. You’ve read my mind about the Erasmus replacement scheme. I’ve been trying to find details, as has my daughter, (she’s a teacher who has organised Erasmus exchanges for her students), but neither of us can find any info yet.

We're going to get a shiny new "Turing" scheme, theoretically beginning in September 2021.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... ork-abroad


Thanks for that. Let’s hope they mean what they say.
Remember, I before E except when you run a feisty heist on a weird foreign neighbour in Chudleigh.

Re: Brexit Island

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by Pilgrim_Joe
» 14:14 27 Dec 2020


mervyn wrote:
MickyD wrote:
mervyn wrote:
signalspast wrote:
mervyn wrote: According to the BBC’s genuinely independent ‘facts check’ dept, New Zealand will have easier customs access to the EU on foodstuffs than the UK. I suspect as days go by this deal will start to look thinner and thinner.


Merv whilst I dont consider the bbc to be impartial over brexit I would be I interested in seeing what they have to say could you please post a link.
Also what do you think of rhe new scheme in place or erasmus as I know it was one of the things that bothered you by brexit.


Don’t have a link signals, but I’m pretty sure I heard it mentioned on the today programme. I know for certain I heard it, but I listen to so much radio that I can’t be precise about the source. You’ve read my mind about the Erasmus replacement scheme. I’ve been trying to find details, as has my daughter, (she’s a teacher who has organised Erasmus exchanges for her students), but neither of us can find any info yet.

We're going to get a shiny new "Turing" scheme, theoretically beginning in September 2021.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... ork-abroad


Thanks for that. Let’s hope they mean what they say.



Glad my youngest arranged their own flights etc and is halfway through the third year now. Won't have to do a 5th year.

Hopefully the Turing scheme will be a good as the Erasmus scheme which is a truly fantastic opportunity for people from all backgrounds :thumbs:
Remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies!

Re: Brexit Island

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by signalspast
» 17:23 27 Dec 2020


mervyn wrote: According to the BBC’s genuinely independent ‘facts check’ dept, New Zealand will have easier customs access to the EU on foodstuffs than the UK. I suspect as days go by this deal will start to look thinner and thinner.


haven't found the BBC article but its to do with equivalence which new Zealand has an agreement but uk doesn't. Now as for BBC being genuinely independent the same rules apply to the EU importing into the UK. For instance Danish Pork or Irish Beef. Enough said

Will add this link as its from BBC where tescos state that the increased administration costs for importers or exporters qill have little difference

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55460948

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by Balham_Green
» 19:40 27 Dec 2020


oldage wrote:
HC Green wrote:
Pottypilgrim wrote:
Martyn wrote: Another really sad day in this saddest of years.

For Bojo to gloat in his comments, and say it is a good deal, then the content will be in the detail, if it is a good deal for Johnson, then it must be a bad deal for the country.

I mean he has not had a good year for doing detail or anything, and maybe, maybe he might do another u turn and we might re-enter the EU.

Nothing will even change in me, that , leaving the EU, is one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever made.made.

Really sad day.


:facepalm: Your logic never fails to amaze me. I think leaving the EU will be one of the best decisions this Country has ever made. I accept that it will take time for the benefits to manifest themselves though especially after going through such a huge change. As with all change there is normally a dip in performance/output etc but once we get used to the new way of doing things then I'm sure we will prosper as a nation.


I saw no reason for leaving the EU in 2016 and nothing that has been said or done in the last four years has changed my mind on that.

Boris Johnson is quite consistent at over promising and under achieving, once the details of the ‘trade deal’ come out I think a few more will be underwhelmed as the Fishing industry seems to be already.

At least there will be a jobs boost caused by the all the paperwork that will now have to be completed by exporters and importers.

Says the same person who saw no reason for DA leaving us and nothing that has been said or done since has changed his mind. :whistle:


What on earth has that got to do with it? What a strange chap you are!?

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by Balham_Green
» 19:42 27 Dec 2020


Pottypilgrim wrote:
Martyn wrote: Another really sad day in this saddest of years.

For Bojo to gloat in his comments, and say it is a good deal, then the content will be in the detail, if it is a good deal for Johnson, then it must be a bad deal for the country.

I mean he has not had a good year for doing detail or anything, and maybe, maybe he might do another u turn and we might re-enter the EU.

Nothing will even change in me, that , leaving the EU, is one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever made.made.

Really sad day.


:facepalm: Your logic never fails to amaze me. I think leaving the EU will be one of the best decisions this Country has ever made. I accept that it will take time for the benefits to manifest themselves though especially after going through such a huge change. As with all change there is normally a dip in performance/output etc but once we get used to the new way of doing things then I'm sure we will prosper as a nation.


Potty you seem very sure without being specific in any way. I would be interested in one example. What do you see as the biggest benefit?

Re: Brexit Island

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by oldage
» 20:52 27 Dec 2020


Balham_Green wrote:
oldage wrote:
HC Green wrote:
Pottypilgrim wrote:
Martyn wrote: Another really sad day in this saddest of years.

For Bojo to gloat in his comments, and say it is a good deal, then the content will be in the detail, if it is a good deal for Johnson, then it must be a bad deal for the country.

I mean he has not had a good year for doing detail or anything, and maybe, maybe he might do another u turn and we might re-enter the EU.

Nothing will even change in me, that , leaving the EU, is one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever made.made.

Really sad day.


:facepalm: Your logic never fails to amaze me. I think leaving the EU will be one of the best decisions this Country has ever made. I accept that it will take time for the benefits to manifest themselves though especially after going through such a huge change. As with all change there is normally a dip in performance/output etc but once we get used to the new way of doing things then I'm sure we will prosper as a nation.


I saw no reason for leaving the EU in 2016 and nothing that has been said or done in the last four years has changed my mind on that.

Boris Johnson is quite consistent at over promising and under achieving, once the details of the ‘trade deal’ come out I think a few more will be underwhelmed as the Fishing industry seems to be already.

At least there will be a jobs boost caused by the all the paperwork that will now have to be completed by exporters and importers.

Says the same person who saw no reason for DA leaving us and nothing that has been said or done since has changed his mind. :whistle:


What on earth has that got to do with it? What a strange chap you are!?

Look at HCs comment re leaving the EU in 2016. Doh :banghead:

Re: Brexit Island

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by Pottypilgrim
» 22:14 27 Dec 2020


Balham_Green wrote:
Pottypilgrim wrote:
Martyn wrote: Another really sad day in this saddest of years.

For Bojo to gloat in his comments, and say it is a good deal, then the content will be in the detail, if it is a good deal for Johnson, then it must be a bad deal for the country.

I mean he has not had a good year for doing detail or anything, and maybe, maybe he might do another u turn and we might re-enter the EU.

Nothing will even change in me, that , leaving the EU, is one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever made.made.

Really sad day.


:facepalm: Your logic never fails to amaze me. I think leaving the EU will be one of the best decisions this Country has ever made. I accept that it will take time for the benefits to manifest themselves though especially after going through such a huge change. As with all change there is normally a dip in performance/output etc but once we get used to the new way of doing things then I'm sure we will prosper as a nation.


Potty you seem very sure without being specific in any way. I would be interested in one example. What do you see as the biggest benefit?


Can't say what would be the biggest benefit because that is a matter of opinion, subjective and different for different people. For me personally and I imagine for many victims of crime, not being part of the European Court of Justice would be a big benefit. To not have another court and another Judge in another Country overrule a judgement made by a British Judge in a British court is a big benefit of leaving the EU in my opinion.

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by Mike E
» 00:05 28 Dec 2020


Pottypilgrim wrote:
Balham_Green wrote:
Pottypilgrim wrote:
Martyn wrote: Another really sad day in this saddest of years.

For Bojo to gloat in his comments, and say it is a good deal, then the content will be in the detail, if it is a good deal for Johnson, then it must be a bad deal for the country.

I mean he has not had a good year for doing detail or anything, and maybe, maybe he might do another u turn and we might re-enter the EU.

Nothing will even change in me, that , leaving the EU, is one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever made.made.

Really sad day.


:facepalm: Your logic never fails to amaze me. I think leaving the EU will be one of the best decisions this Country has ever made. I accept that it will take time for the benefits to manifest themselves though especially after going through such a huge change. As with all change there is normally a dip in performance/output etc but once we get used to the new way of doing things then I'm sure we will prosper as a nation.


Potty you seem very sure without being specific in any way. I would be interested in one example. What do you see as the biggest benefit?


Can't say what would be the biggest benefit because that is a matter of opinion, subjective and different for different people. For me personally and I imagine for many victims of crime, not being part of the European Court of Justice would be a big benefit. To not have another court and another Judge in another Country overrule a judgement made by a British Judge in a British court is a big benefit of leaving the EU in my opinion.


We could have still had that and stayed in a customs union / single market.
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by signalspast
» 07:14 28 Dec 2020


Disagree the WA that was rejected three times with the backstop in it the overriding ultimate court was the ECJ. Throughout all the discussions the EU have pushed for the ECJ to be the ultimate arbitrator so the only way we could be rid of it is to have a complete break

Re: Brexit Island

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by Pottypilgrim
» 10:26 28 Dec 2020


The idea of a European Union has run its course in my opinion. It was one of those ideas that was thought to be good at the time but has actually proven to be a bad idea. The Swiss could see that. They could see that they would end up being one of the Countries that would 'prop up' the EU as we and Germany have done over the years. Its about time we started looking after ourselves for a change and stopped being seen as such a soft touch/easy option for citizens of other Countries.

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by oldage
» 10:27 28 Dec 2020


Pottypilgrim wrote: The idea of a European Union has run its course in my opinion. It was one of those ideas that was thought to be good at the time but has actually proven to be a bad idea. The Swiss could see that. They could see that they would end up being one of the Countries that would 'prop up' the EU as we and Germany have done over the years. Its about time we started looking after ourselves for a change and stopped being seen as such a soft touch/easy option for citizens of other Countries.

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