Pottypilgrim wrote:Ave_IT wrote: At the end of the day though, as much as I hate the idea and as damaging as it will be for us to become 'little England' we cannot and should not stop Scotland from freely choosing. Brexit utterly invalidated the Scottish referendum result. There are many in Scotland who voted to stay in the UK who also wanted to be part of the EU (Scotland voted Remain by about 66%) so it should be re-run. For all of the problems and all the costs that Brexit has wrought (and will continue to do so) the disintegration of the UK was always the biggest threat. John Major banged this drum as loudly as possible but it was lost in all the flag waving jingoism of Brexit (ironically union flag waving). The best we can do is for all our politicians to argue as persuasively as possible and, within reason, take advantage of the timing of the referendum that is in our control.
If Westminster did allow Scotland to have another referendum, It wouldn't surprise me if the Scots voted in exactly the same way as they did the first time i.e. to remain as part of the Union. Sturgeon is banging on about how Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU and on that basis, along with the election gains, seems pretty sure Scotland will vote to leave the Union. I dont think they will. What she seems to be losing sight of is the fact that voting to stay or leave the Union and voting to stay or leave the EU are two completely separate and vastly different things. If I was Boris I would let the Scots have their referendum, after all we do live in a democracy and to be fair to Sturgeon she does have a strong case in principle. It is a dangerous drum she's beating though because if Scotland does have its referendum and votes to stay in the Union then Sturgeon and the SNP would surely have to fall on their sword. Conservatives could then start to gather a bit more support North of the Border....as they say, be careful what you wish for.
Agree with most of that. Scots were overwhelmingly in favour of staying in the EU - and I think more or less the same case can be made for staying in the UK i.e. the stupidity and cost of erecting borders with your biggest trading partner and the sheer logistical & practical problems entailed. Then there's the currency question and all sorts of shared institutions etc. etc. It would be madness.
The bit I don't really agree with though is that it is a quite separate issue to Brexit. The fact that staying part of the UK means they cannot be part of the EU (for now at least!) must mean the two are inextricably linked. The SNP make it clear they would leave the UK and join the EU - so they will frame it as a straight choice. That will be tough to argue against - other than to say as hideously painful as separating after a 50-odd year union is then leaving a 300-odd year union would be even worse ..... one with whom they share a land border, a currency and the huge number of people, families & businesses that straddle both. I think it will be another close vote.