I think we can all agree that the club is in a great position on and off the pitch right now, led by an outstanding chairman. The Jack Leslie campaign is doing a fantastic job of highlighting the role of Argyle in combating discrimination. Maybe now is also the time for us to start thinking about ending our association with the Mayflower and the Pilgrim Fathers.

I won’t repeat the arguments in detail. Many of us have heard them and have a view. In short, while there is much to admire about the Pilgrim Fathers story, it was not a peaceful mission. It contributed to disease, suffering, slavery and death for thousands of native peoples the Pilgrims and their descendants encountered.

To be perfectly honest, I think many fans will not even care if we dropped the association. It is the Green Army, the Theatre of Greens, Argyle – nobody really calls us the Pilgrims do they? Nobody except for the odd out of town sports journalist. The crest and Pilgrim Pete, and the odd description like the programme, are the only real evidence of the link.

So I guess the question is, if we dropped this association, would you care? If we dropped the link, what alternative, if any, would you have?

Arguably we could maintain a varied version of our crest with seafaring links (much as the Green Taverners logo does), heck even keep the ship (it can become a generic ship of Plymouth's seafaring past). We can simply be known as ‘the Greens’. Or we could think wider?

[Ottawa Green]

NO

BIG NO.

[PL2 3DQ]

Hell no!

Yo ho no me hearties.

The Moangeneric stand?

I've seen some moronic threads on here, but this is right up there.

NO

Is their anywhere these days where somebody doesn't want to re-write History, drives me Nuts. .

We are The Pilgrims and long that may continue

I'm writing this as a BAME Argyle supporter. I'm not sure that the Pilgrims/Mayflower are just small parts of our club and our city, I think they form a large part of their identity.

I feel in this situation it'd be wrong to disassociate ourselves from these terms but as always, education is important so that people can come to their own conclusions.

I'd look at Tate and Lyle, owners of the sugar company as well as the world famous art galleries. No one's calling for a name change despite the Tate business profiting from slavery in the past but at least they do acknowledge this past. Unlike what some would believe we live in a free country so it's up to you what you do with this information:

https://www.tate.org.uk/about-us/histor ... nd-slavery

There's definitely times where cancel culture is unwise but it's just as unwise to 'cancel' any discussion about these topics and not acknowledge other views.

[Ottawa Green]

Corrazin's first post in over 4 years, hopefully we dont hear from him for another 4 years.

Someone else trying to reinvent the wheel. If it ain't broke.....

It’s a NO from me too

NO it's like saying the Guardian newspaper should be banned because it was created on the back of the slave trade.

[Andy_S]

Can someone please explain to me what the bloody hell BAME means?

The whole thing is a load of bollax!