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The consequence of Bojo’s lies

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by mervyn
» 09:29 08 Apr 2021


I’ve just ordered Peter Oborne’s book ‘Assault on the truth’ which, given that he was both an admirer, friend and colleague of Johnson, should be an interesting read, where he lists the consequences of johnson’s default position, lie first, worry afterwards.

I’m not naive enough to fail to recognise that porkies stem from many politicians on all sides, and this is one of the reasons the political class has fallen into disrepute. However Johnson has taken this to a new level. Where past party leaders have usually taken extreme care over their utterances, being too aware of the consequences for a leader caught lying, Johnson has no such qualms. What worries me is that no one cares about his lying; it’s so regular, that like Trump he’s seen to be just exaggerating in a ‘good old Boris’ fashion.

All until now. We see repeated viewings on the media of Johnson standing in front of a Northern Ireland gathering last year giving a categoric assurance there will be no customs border of any sort around the province. This time the consequences could be dire, even potential injury and loss of life, such is the tinder-box of Ulster. Hope my fears prove unjustified.
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Re: The consequence of Bojo’s lies

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by themightykeithfear
» 09:44 08 Apr 2021


Did you see Bozo's former friend and colleague Sir Alan Duncan recalling his experiences of the "embarrassing buffoon". As well as describing Mr Johnson as a "clown", he claims they had a row over a report about diplomats treating him as an "international joke". When Mr Johnson is said to have asked, "Why don't they take me seriously?", Sir Alan claims he replied: "Look in the ****ing mirror!"

You think back to the Olympics under Cameron's Conservative Government and we were admired and respected throughout the world. Now we're just a joke, and not a funny one..

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by Quinny
» 10:33 08 Apr 2021


I think this is the face of modern politics, and it's as true on the other side of the Pond as it is here (to be fair, it isn't limited to politics, though). But then, politics has changed in that those in office seem to be less accountable for their actions and it's almost unheard of for a Minister to be forcibly removed from their position, let alone have a pang on conscience and offer their resignation - the last one which really comes to mind is Priti Patel and her meetings in Israel ... and yet, here she is, Home Secretary, with allegations dogging her about bringing her position in disrepute, breaking the ministerial code, and almost untouchable ...

With reference to the lies, though, this does seem to be an actual ploy by the likes of Boris. It doesn't actually matter what the truth is, above all else make your point before your opponents do, even if it's a blatant lie, because that's the line which will stick first and foremost in the minds of the people you are trying to influence, even if you backtrack further down the line. It's been a tactic used for a few years now.
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by themightykeithfear
» 10:52 08 Apr 2021


The strategy is "A lie will gallop halfway round the world before the truth has time to pull its breeches on."

I've been listening to some of Bozo's lies on N Ireland this morning, just incredible straight out of 1984. In 2019 he told the DUP in Belfast that no Conservative government would ever contemplate having regulatory checks and even customs controls between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. And that anyone receiving any such paperwork should send it to him and he would throw it in the bin. This when he was signing up to the NI Protocol which set out in great detail the mountain of red tape and paperwork that would be and is now required. And look at what that has resulted in.

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by Quinny
» 11:44 08 Apr 2021


A somewhat prescient Twitter thread from Patrick Kielty from 2018: it's well worth a read. Who'd have thought an Irish comedian would have a better idea of the consequences of Boris' Brexit agreement than, er, Boris?

https://twitter.com/PatricKielty/status/1045782711816708096
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by Mike E
» 13:45 08 Apr 2021


Quinny wrote: A somewhat prescient Twitter thread from Patrick Kielty from 2018: it's well worth a read. Who'd have thought an Irish comedian would have a better idea of the consequences of Boris' Brexit agreement than, er, Boris?

https://twitter.com/PatricKielty/status/1045782711816708096


Hits the nail on the head and a typical example of Johnson's laziness to even bother to research the facts.

Like many of his ilk and laziness, he just couldn't be arsed to try to understand the Northern Irish problem. It was obvious even before the 2016 referendum, if we left, anything other than a Customs Union would result in a return to the bad times.
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