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Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 05:04 09 Nov 2019
by Mike E
And here are we in the UK gushing with admiration and rushing to imitate their politics, complete with our own blond haired toady mimicking Trumps populist rallies and electioneering.

I feel physically sick.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 09:01 09 Nov 2019
by Martyn
Mike E wrote: And here are we in the UK gushing with admiration and rushing to imitate their politics, complete with our own blond haired toady mimicking Trumps populist rallies and electioneering.

I feel physically sick.


Also, just watched Sky News, and now Turkey/Russia are suffering the Kurds to ethnic cleansing, after Trump abandoned them to the Turks.

Thought he was going to take Turkey to cast, well, Donald it has started nearly 200,000 Kurds are leaving the area, because of Turkeys policy, what are you going to do. (He was very quick to cancel the self imposed economic sanctions last month).

How can the West trust somebody like Trump, who hasn’t got a clue about Foreign policy, except to obtain discrepancies about his political rivals.

Trump you are a f****** disgrace to your country, and to the world.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 13:11 10 Nov 2019
by Ade the green
Now, I’m not saying that I’d like a Trump sibling to emulate their crooked father and run for office but I am encouraged that at least Ivanka doesn’t seem to want to mimic the rabid attacks on the whistleblower.

How true, the whistleblower’s name is irrelevant as is their role in the Whitehouse. It would be refreshing if a single GOP congressman or senator tied themselves to a defence rather than investigate the investigators.

I cannot get my head around Graham’s refusal to acknowledge the transcripts of testimony after he pushed and pushed for them to be released. Someone tipped him off that they damn the Potus.

And my oh my, Jeff Sessions........ need I say more? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 14:47 10 Nov 2019
by MickyD
Yeah, Jeff Sessions' opening campaign ad has been described as akin to a hostage tape - but also as a smart way to make it far more difficult for Trump to attack him. Sessions is, apparently, still very popular in Alabama.

Lindsey Graham is truly disgracing himself now. We've all been speculating for a long time as to what on earth Putin must have on Trump to make him behave in the way he does; and I'm seriously wondering now if there's more to Graham's and others' cringing obeisance to Trump than just a total lack of spine and a terror of losing their precious seat in Congress.

Ivanka - well, it's pretty easy for her to adopt a more moderate tone than her dad when she knows it will make not one jot of difference, especially bearing in mind that she and Jared have lost oodles of cred with their old super-rich liberal Upper East Side buddies in recent years. (That aside. it would be pretty easy for the ghost of Heinrich Himmler himself to adopt a more moderate tone than Ivanka's dad.)

On the other hand... in that nightmare scenario I postulated on this thread not long ago, Don Jr would be the future hardline "Just Like Daddy" president and Ivanka, having carefully positioned herself as a "moderate", would be the putative voice of reason as VP in the classic good cop/bad cop tradition - you know, the guardrails, the adult in the room, the one with NY liberal sensibilities, the one to hold the president's most dangerous urges and rabidly rightwing "policies" in check - just as everyone hoped and more or less assumed she would be for the current monster in the Oval Office. That's worked out well, hasn't it?

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 16:00 10 Nov 2019
by MickyD
Well, here's a funny thing.

Here I am reading a piece on the Daily Beast, a Python 50th anniversary interview with John Cleese and Eric Idle, and guess what I've just read in an Eric Idle quote?

“They’re terrified of Trump, sure,” contends Idle. “But do you know what they’re really terrified of? If you think the Russians only hacked Hillary Clinton and the DNC, you’re a fool. They hacked everyone! The RNC, Mitch McConnell and, especially, Lindsey Graham. That’s why they’re all so docile. But don’t be fooled that they’re doing this out of allegiance to Trump, or even because they fear his base. They’re afraid of what Russia has on them!”

Spooky, man.

The interview in question

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 08:45 15 Nov 2019
by Ade the green
So, and forgetting for one moment that Trump’s impeachment hearings are taking place.

IF there is one iota of Trump changing the habits of a lifetime and telling the truth, the whole truth and thank you god then why is he doing everything in his powers to not show his innocence?

His tax returns, having the precedent set that every modern Potus has voluntarily given up tax returns why is this one willing to go to the scotus if there is no hint of wrongdoing? Why is he even calling it his Supreme Court? It surely is the Supreme Court of the United States! It even says it in their department title.

Why did his personal lawyer get involved with any discussions with the Ukraine and why is this contrary to every former dealings in foreign policy?

Why is he so determined to not releasing the whole transcripts of his Ukraine telephone call and why is he so determined that each and every one of his White House staff should refuse the subpoena to testify?

IF he is truly innocent he would be more likely to allow all this and more to end once and for all the “witch hunt”.

Trump once said very publicly that anyone pleading the fifth is guilty of something. So rather than plead he is just ignoring due process, this will not go away and a jail term for him and his closest allies are looking more and more certain whenever he leaves the Oval Office.

So what will happen in 2020 if and when he is unelected? You can guarantee he will need to be dragged kicking and screaming from the WH and what sort of spectacle will that provide to America’s enemies? To think that countries like Venezuela, Nicaragua and the like can point the finger at the corrupt USA knowing they cannot be held up to any ridicule and scorn. How will America’s fall be seen by Russia and China, even to North Korea that has until now been a pariah and will now be seen as the enlightened one of the two states.

How will America be seen by it’s allies in NATO and the UN, by countries who have so long been faithful partners like those in the E.U.? How will America be seen by the U.K? And how will the U.K, now out of the E.U. and possibly closer aligned to a rogue USA that can no longer be held up to the ideal?

Such a shame that one man’s greed and avarice can stretch his oily, dishonest and totally corrupt being onto so many people in the world. The Democrats in Congress have an almighty task in front of them and one in which the GOP has to decide whether one man is worth the pain of a country and beyond.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 16:48 15 Nov 2019
by Martyn
You can’t make this up.
Amazing what is going on at the impeachment hearings, now.
The former ambassador to the Ukraine, (name I can’t spell), is giving evidence about threats and intimidation from Trump, and during the hearing, Trump is twitting threats and intimidation to her.

You can’t make it up, can you.

He has just proven the case against him.

The man (sorry you can’t call him a man), the bully is absolutely stupid and mad.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 17:07 15 Nov 2019
by Martyn
Roger Stone, has now been found guilty on 7 counts, that makes 6 of Trumps men,,who have been found guilty of corruption, etc.

He was elected on ‘draining the swamp’.

He has now become the swamp.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 17:21 15 Nov 2019
by Ade the green
Martyn wrote: Roger Stone, has now been found guilty on 7 counts, that makes 6 of Trumps men,,who have been found guilty of corruption, etc.

He was elected on ‘draining the swamp’.

He has now become the swamp.



Expecting a Presidential pardon.

Was there a swamp to drain? Having said that, Hilary Clinton is hanging around like a fart in a spacesuit. Give it up please, you’re the reason Trump was elected in the first place.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 20:40 15 Nov 2019
by Ade the green
Sat at home as I am, I felt the need to give Adam Schiff a standing ovation. The way the Democrats are sticking to their objective of narrating what exactly occurred in the Ukraine was in it’s own way enthralling and compelling. Devin Nunes and his repugnant party can not defend the indefensible and continue to try and change the story to one of it’s choosing.

Apparently, even whilst doing or possibly in conjunction with the president’s bidding to castigate a career diplomat as a failure, Giulliani still had time to make a foreign energy deal to enrich himself (and maybe his boss?).

The looks of the GOP during the recess showed the strain they are under. Jim Jordan, for so long the go to guy in the sessions (now Trey Goudi has resigned himself to being a Fox News pundit) is strangely mooted. Is this because he had the rug pulled from under him when questioning why the whistle-blower (the one person that started it all) is not being brought to the inquiry. The Democrat response to that “ we’ll gladly have President Trump take a seat” seems to have wilted his endeavour.

All through today’s hearing, POTUS cannot stop himself from witness intimidation and threats and is enough for more and more people to understand just who they voted for and who they are defending.

Where’s Lindsay Graham? Hiding away because he knows, he knows Trumps grasp at being in one hot seat is being deferred to another hot seat when all is said and done.

I hope that in his belligerent way Trump signs the Roger Stone pardon and then there will be no doubt exactly what kind of two bit petty gangster he wants to be.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 23:15 15 Nov 2019
by Martyn
Ade the green wrote: Sat at home as I am, I felt the need to give Adam Schiff a standing ovation. The way the Democrats are sticking to their objective of narrating what exactly occurred in the Ukraine was in it’s own way enthralling and compelling. Devin Nunes and his repugnant party can not defend the indefensible and continue to try and change the story to one of it’s choosing.

Apparently, even whilst doing or possibly in conjunction with the president’s bidding to castigate a career diplomat as a failure, Giulliani still had time to make a foreign energy deal to enrich himself (and maybe his boss?).

The looks of the GOP during the recess showed the strain they are under. Jim Jordan, for so long the go to guy in the sessions (now Trey Goudi has resigned himself to being a Fox News pundit) is strangely mooted. Is this because he had the rug pulled from under him when questioning why the whistle-blower (the one person that started it all) is not being brought to the inquiry. The Democrat response to that “ we’ll gladly have President Trump take a seat” seems to have wilted his endeavour.

All through today’s hearing, POTUS cannot stop himself from witness intimidation and threats and is enough for more and more people to understand just who they voted for and who they are defending.

Where’s Lindsay Graham? Hiding away because he knows, he knows Trumps grasp at being in one hot seat is being deferred to another hot seat when all is said and done.

I hope that in his belligerent way Trump signs the Roger Stone pardon and then there will be no doubt exactly what kind of two bit petty gangster he wants to be.


You’re right, it was compelling viewing.

The republicans are trying to defend, the indefensible.

That Jim Jordan is awful, he can’t even the timeline right.

One ironic, point, is that they want the right to question the whistleblower, but the WH, will not let the democrats speak to Giulliani, Bolton and others, and will not release some papers, that Kent and Taylor, wanted to bring.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 09:32 16 Nov 2019
by Ade the green
Martyn wrote:
Ade the green wrote: Sat at home as I am, I felt the need to give Adam Schiff a standing ovation. The way the Democrats are sticking to their objective of narrating what exactly occurred in the Ukraine was in it’s own way enthralling and compelling. Devin Nunes and his repugnant party can not defend the indefensible and continue to try and change the story to one of it’s choosing.

Apparently, even whilst doing or possibly in conjunction with the president’s bidding to castigate a career diplomat as a failure, Giulliani still had time to make a foreign energy deal to enrich himself (and maybe his boss?).

The looks of the GOP during the recess showed the strain they are under. Jim Jordan, for so long the go to guy in the sessions (now Trey Goudi has resigned himself to being a Fox News pundit) is strangely mooted. Is this because he had the rug pulled from under him when questioning why the whistle-blower (the one person that started it all) is not being brought to the inquiry. The Democrat response to that “ we’ll gladly have President Trump take a seat” seems to have wilted his endeavour.

All through today’s hearing, POTUS cannot stop himself from witness intimidation and threats and is enough for more and more people to understand just who they voted for and who they are defending.

Where’s Lindsay Graham? Hiding away because he knows, he knows Trumps grasp at being in one hot seat is being deferred to another hot seat when all is said and done.

I hope that in his belligerent way Trump signs the Roger Stone pardon and then there will be no doubt exactly what kind of two bit petty gangster he wants to be.


You’re right, it was compelling viewing.

The republicans are trying to defend, the indefensible.

That Jim Jordan is awful, he can’t even the timeline right.

One ironic, point, is that they want the right to question the whistleblower, but the WH, will not let the democrats speak to Giulliani, Bolton and others, and will not release some papers, that Kent and Taylor, wanted to bring.




Jim Jordan is the main attack dog for the GOP which is why he was parachuted into this inquiry. How strange then that the attack dog has turned into a pussy. Could it be that he recognises that the chickens are coming home to roost and that he is front and centre of telling the American people lie upon lie in trying to aid Trump and his crooked deal making.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 10:02 16 Nov 2019
by MickyD
A truly crazy day, even by the standards of the Dark Age of Trump.

There is a theory, though, that now that proceedings are under way and there's no getting away from it, Trump - being the double-down kinda guy that he is - actually wants to be impeached by the House, banking on the belief that the craven GOP in the Senate will let him off the hook, thereby allowing him to claim martyrdom and "total exoneration", just as he did following the Mueller Report whose impact was deliberately wrecked by Barr, and to go into the 2020 campaign on what he will tout, and his supporters will see, as the crest of the wave of another heroic victory by the brave underdog over the evil machinations of the Deep State.

The only thing that will change that is public opinion, because we've already seen that the House GOP, utterly pathetic and embarrassing though they've been in these hearings to date, are still pretending that poor little Donny is innocent. He's surely set to be impeached by the House now, but will enough American hearts and minds be changed for new polling to scare the GOP Senators into dumping their toxic asset when the time comes?