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Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 17:39 25 Apr 2020
by Forest of Dean Green
I literally cannot believe how sane people stand beside him and don’t interject or correct or admonish him. People are weirdly cowed by an imbecile. Including rational scientists.

His own party are a disgrace for not telling him to pack his bags. They care more about not having a Democrat in power than the health of their nation, or they would have heaved him over the side of the boat. America is a laughing stock.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 22:12 25 Apr 2020
by MickyD
Forest of Dean Green wrote: I literally cannot believe how sane people stand beside him and don’t interject or correct or admonish him. People are weirdly cowed by an imbecile. Including rational scientists.

His own party are a disgrace for not telling him to pack his bags. They care more about not having a Democrat in power than the health of their nation, or they would have heaved him over the side of the boat. America is a laughing stock.

The problem these non-politically appointed rational scientists have, in common with the vanishingly small percentage of competent and decent politically appointed people who have ever worked in any capacity for the Trump regime, is that they're all but impotent once they're on the outside: they can only have any effect if they're still in a position to rein in the worst excesses of the unfolding horror story that is this presidency, and they have to tread a very fine line in order to do so.

As soon as someone resigns in disgust and despair, or gets fired or moved because they dared dispute too openly anything the Dear Leader says, they're immediately branded disgruntled former employess and vilified by all of Trumpworld, and in the absence of that ever rarer voice of reason and restraint there's just another incompetent, know-nothing, snivelling yes-man or woman (quite likely a "major donor" or a pal from Mar a Lago with zero experience even in politics, let alone the job in question) put in their place - and there goes yet another brick in the crumbling wall.

It's all very well becoming an MSNBC contributor or writing the latest in what is now a very long line of jaw-dropping exposés of what's really been going on there (which is so much worse than is generally known - I've read a good few!) but that doesn't really move the needle one jot - they're just preaching to the converted, and even after all this time, and all the horror stories and all the books, Trump's approval ratings hadn't really dropped at all until his ongoing pandemic SNAFU. (And when he was finally cajoled into pretending to be serious and presidential for five minutes a few weeks back, they actually rose above 50% for a while. Still appallingly low for a president in a "rally round the flag" national crisis, but staggering to me nonetheless.)

Deborah Birx is now being dubbed "The Stepford Doc" because she's had more trouble treading that fine line in public than Anthony Fauci has - but just imagine if those two resigned or were fired. Well, I'd rather not!

As for the GOP themselves - yes, they are contemptible beyond words. Their actions, and inactions, have brought utter disgrace on them, their party and their country.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 22:13 25 Apr 2020
by Ave_IT
Greenrod wrote:
ninjamissile wrote: I've seen the clip where Trump was speaking but nothing showing the discussion before:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... sting.html


Although Trump asking this question was down right stupid, especially in front of the whole nation, but disinfecting maybe not as daft as it sounds.

During the Spanish flu, doctors had some success in curing pneumonia by disinfecting the airways with iodine and is still used as an oral disinfection in the preoperative stage. Also, Japanese doctors are recommending gargling with anti bacterial mouthwash for Covid 19.

Reminds me of, as a kid, we used to gargle with TCP for sore throats and trachea infections - horrible.

No Greenrod No. You are trying to rationalise the behaviour of a totally irrational man. You and I and the vast majority of us can't get our heads around what he does, says and thinks. Desperately looking for a sane explanation to excuse him is like looking for faces in clouds. It's tempting to try but it is a complete illusion.
Watch the clip again. He's not talking about gargling with TCP (I've done that - perfectly sensible for a sore throat).

He has such a delusional opinion of himself he genuinely thinks he had an idea that none of the scientists had thought of... he's "stable genius" after all (his own words) & thinking 'outside the box'. He is like a cocky ten year-old of limited ability... "Miss! Miss! I've got a great idea - Bleach kills the virus so we could use it in an injection!!". The really hilarious thing is that EVERYBODY in that room (apart from him) is squirming with embarrasment or open mouthed in astonishment. That poor woman - the medical expert - you can see she wants the ground to open up. I'm sorry but it is right up there as one of my favourite comedy moments of all time. Fabulous :lol:

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 06:46 26 Apr 2020
by Mike E
Ave_IT wrote:
Greenrod wrote:
ninjamissile wrote: I've seen the clip where Trump was speaking but nothing showing the discussion before:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... sting.html


Although Trump asking this question was down right stupid, especially in front of the whole nation, but disinfecting maybe not as daft as it sounds.

During the Spanish flu, doctors had some success in curing pneumonia by disinfecting the airways with iodine and is still used as an oral disinfection in the preoperative stage. Also, Japanese doctors are recommending gargling with anti bacterial mouthwash for Covid 19.

Reminds me of, as a kid, we used to gargle with TCP for sore throats and trachea infections - horrible.

No Greenrod No. You are trying to rationalise the behaviour of a totally irrational man. You and I and the vast majority of us can't get our heads around what he does, says and thinks. Desperately looking for a sane explanation to excuse him is like looking for faces in clouds. It's tempting to try but it is a complete illusion.
Watch the clip again. He's not talking about gargling with TCP (I've done that - perfectly sensible for a sore throat).

He has such a delusional opinion of himself he genuinely thinks he had an idea that none of the scientists had thought of... he's "stable genius" after all (his own words) & thinking 'outside the box'. He is like a cocky ten year-old of limited ability... "Miss! Miss! I've got a great idea - Bleach kills the virus so we could use it in an injection!!". The really hilarious thing is that EVERYBODY in that room (apart from him) is squirming with embarrasment or open mouthed in astonishment. That poor woman - the medical expert - you can see she wants the ground to open up. I'm sorry but it is right up there as one of my favourite comedy moments of all time. Fabulous :lol:


And more toe curling comedy is him digging his hole deeper, in his office interview, trying to brush it off as sarcasm.

I'm sorry Greenrod but anyone with any self regard who has argued Trumps case in the past should surely hold their hands up and admit they are backing the wrong horse.

As Ave it implies the man thinks, speaks and acts like a contemptuous ten year old in a seventy year old body.

How can his supporters really believe that this is the man that can 'Make America Great Again' and not see that, despite the terrible consequences for us all, the whole world view him and his country, while he is leading it, as a laughing stock.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 10:33 26 Apr 2020
by ninjamissile
Donald Trump isn't the best president there's ever been. Agreed.

However, in his defence, he'd taken medical advice. And probably listened to it. Did anyone actually hear the question that led to his misquoted and derided response? Was it 'What should Americans do until the time a vaccine is found?' or 'What lines of research into medical treatment are being investigated?' Probably not either but which do you think comes closest?

Incidentally, take a look at this: a disinfectant that's used in vaccines. Who'd have thought it? Outrageous...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 14:10 26 Apr 2020
by MickyD
As I steer well clear of social media, it's interesting to get an insight into how Trump's idiocy to end all idiocies is being justified in certain quarters. I'm guessing that the digging up of any and all references to the medical use of disinfectants is now "a thing" (as I believe the youngsters say), is it?

A couple of days ago I described Trump as being in full-on panic mode. It seems that the panic is spreading like a... damn my befuddled brain, I can't think of the word off-hand...

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 14:37 26 Apr 2020
by ninjamissile
Ayt least we've established;ished the fact that disinfectant can't be used inside the body and that the medical establishment have got it all wrong..! :funny:

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 10:17 29 Apr 2020
by MarkMatthews
MickyD wrote:
Forest of Dean Green wrote: I literally cannot believe how sane people stand beside him and don’t interject or correct or admonish him. People are weirdly cowed by an imbecile. Including rational scientists.

His own party are a disgrace for not telling him to pack his bags. They care more about not having a Democrat in power than the health of their nation, or they would have heaved him over the side of the boat. America is a laughing stock.

The problem these non-politically appointed rational scientists have, in common with the vanishingly small percentage of competent and decent politically appointed people who have ever worked in any capacity for the Trump regime, is that they're all but impotent once they're on the outside: they can only have any effect if they're still in a position to rein in the worst excesses of the unfolding horror story that is this presidency, and they have to tread a very fine line in order to do so.

As soon as someone resigns in disgust and despair, or gets fired or moved because they dared dispute too openly anything the Dear Leader says, they're immediately branded disgruntled former employess and vilified by all of Trumpworld, and in the absence of that ever rarer voice of reason and restraint there's just another incompetent, know-nothing, snivelling yes-man or woman (quite likely a "major donor" or a pal from Mar a Lago with zero experience even in politics, let alone the job in question) put in their place - and there goes yet another brick in the crumbling wall.

It's all very well becoming an MSNBC contributor or writing the latest in what is now a very long line of jaw-dropping exposés of what's really been going on there (which is so much worse than is generally known - I've read a good few!) but that doesn't really move the needle one jot - they're just preaching to the converted, and even after all this time, and all the horror stories and all the books, Trump's approval ratings hadn't really dropped at all until his ongoing pandemic SNAFU. (And when he was finally cajoled into pretending to be serious and presidential for five minutes a few weeks back, they actually rose above 50% for a while. Still appallingly low for a president in a "rally round the flag" national crisis, but staggering to me nonetheless.)

Deborah Birx is now being dubbed "The Stepford Doc" because she's had more trouble treading that fine line in public than Anthony Fauci has - but just imagine if those two resigned or were fired. Well, I'd rather not!

As for the GOP themselves - yes, they are contemptible beyond words. Their actions, and inactions, have brought utter disgrace on them, their party and their country.


The Democrats are more contemptible for not once but twice, putting up the only person in the country who couldn’t beat him.

Best thing that could happen now is for this scandal with creepy Joe to blow up to the point where he has to back out and for Jimmy Carter ride in to the rescue the democrats for his second term. I can not think of a better stop gap experienced and respected candidate to steer the world through a time of pandemic and possible regime change in the DPRK.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 10:48 29 Apr 2020
by MickyD
Wow. And that would be Jimmy Carter the 95-year-old, would it?

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 12:30 29 Apr 2020
by MarkMatthews
MickyD wrote: Wow. And that would be Jimmy Carter the 95-year-old, would it?


Incredibly ageist he is only a few months older than the Queen (94). What has age got to do with it? He is still active in public life, currently working, recently condemning Trump for withdrawing from the WHO.

Much sharper than Biden (77) much more palatable to the American public than Sanders (78) and much smarter and respected throughout the world due to the work he does with the Carter Center (sic) , which has done awful lot of research and work on endemic and pandemics, than the current president Trump (73)

Here is a video of him taking Sunday school at his church last month, unlike Biden he can string a sentence together and doesn’t lose his thought trail.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/26/poli ... index.html

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 13:26 29 Apr 2020
by MickyD
The Queen is irrelevant. She doesn't actually have to run a country, let alone that huge and deeply divided one across the Atlantic.

But come on - however sharp Carter may be for his age, he'll be 96 before the election even takes place, and with the best will in the world he would be unlikely to make it through the four years. His candidacy would also be utterly ripped to shreds by the Republican propaganda machine.

And has anybody asked hm anyway? I'm sure he'd laugh at the very idea.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 14:19 29 Apr 2020
by MarkMatthews
MickyD wrote: The Queen is irrelevant. She doesn't actually have to run a country, let alone that huge and deeply divided one across the Atlantic.

But come on - however sharp Carter may be for his age, he'll be 96 before the election even takes place, and with the best will in the world he would be unlikely to make it through the four years. His candidacy would also be utterly ripped to shreds by the Republican propaganda machine.

And has anybody asked hm anyway? I'm sure he'd laugh at the very idea.


Yes he has been asked. And joked he hoped there was an age limit and how he would have run if he was only 15 years younger.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics ... nr-vpx.cnn

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 08:47 30 Apr 2020
by DartingtonPilgrim
Just been reading on the BBC news website how Trump , whilst claiming China want Biden to become President , doesn't believe the American public will vote for an incompetent person . Any thoughts ?