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Sorry, not sure what I'm supposed to be letting go of. I can't abide Trump. But I dislike lefties even more.

That lady on the earlier video, I hadn't seen or heard of her until about an hour ago. I don't know whether to believe her or not to be frank, but I'd take her word over many of the people that post here.

Just out of interest ninja how do you term 'lefties' ?

If you disagree with Trump do you feel he is more right wing than you feel comfortable with or not right wing enough ?

A genuine question.

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Sorry, not sure what I'm supposed to be letting go of. I can't abide Trump. But I dislike lefties even more.

That lady on the earlier video, I hadn't seen or heard of her until about an hour ago. I don't know whether to believe her or not to be frank, but I'd take her word over many of the people that post here.

Just out of interest ninja how do you term 'lefties' ?

If you disagree with Trump do you feel he is more right wing than you feel comfortable with or not right wing enough ?

A genuine question.

Good question and I don't really know the answer tbh. As a sweeping generalisation lefties tend to be angry, envious and quite often hateful, and want to drag everyone down to the level of the lowest common denominator. I'm sure some are well meaning though. Prominent lefties I can't abide are Owen Jones Ash Sarkar (a self confessed commie I believe) and all of the previous Labour leadership team.

I don't really follow American politics but Trump is a buffoon, no doubt about it, but he was better than the alternative at the last US election. That doesn't say a lot. I honestly don't try to keep up with his policies or statements but occasionally I read or hear something that catches my attention - the recent furore about injecting detergent is a good example. I couldn't believe the deliberate misrepresentation and downright lies about his comments - typical leftie tactics. Will he be re-elected? I've no idea.

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Sorry, not sure what I'm supposed to be letting go of. I can't abide Trump. But I dislike lefties even more.

That lady on the earlier video, I hadn't seen or heard of her until about an hour ago. I don't know whether to believe her or not to be frank, but I'd take her word over many of the people that post here.

Just out of interest ninja how do you term 'lefties' ?

If you disagree with Trump do you feel he is more right wing than you feel comfortable with or not right wing enough ?

A genuine question.

Good question and I don't really know the answer tbh. As a sweeping generalisation lefties tend to be angry, envious and quite often hateful, and want to drag everyone down to the level of the lowest common denominator. I'm sure some are well meaning though. Prominent lefties I can't abide are Owen Jones Ash Sarkar (a self confessed commie I believe) and all of the previous Labour leadership team.

I don't really follow American politics but Trump is a buffoon, no doubt about it, but he was better than the alternative at the last US election. That doesn't say a lot. I honestly don't try to keep up with his policies or statements but occasionally I read or hear something that catches my attention - the recent furore about injecting detergent is a good example. I couldn't believe the deliberate misrepresentation and downright lies about his comments - typical leftie tactics. Will he be re-elected? I've no idea.

So what did Trump actually say about detergents?
'Lefties tend to be angry'. And Righties? Your National Front groups or whatever they are called now, your gun toting nationalists in Charlottesville etc etc . Such mild mannered people arent they?

Lefties tend to be angry whilst right wingers, calmly and rationally take out a semi automatic weapons and fire into crowds or drive vans at people outside mosques, or calmly, totally non-hatefully, go around hacking politicians to death, or say really non-agressive things like 'if there's a second referendum I'm picking up my gun'.... That what you mean 'ninja'?

I cant remember the last time Owen Jones was so angry he kicked someones head in... But I do remember when some really calm, peaceable, not-angry-at-all right wing nicies kicked his in.

Oh yeah i remember when some of those rabid nasty lefties lobbed some milkshake at those poor poor right wing politicians.
I'm sure Jo Cox wouldn't have minded being on the end of a milkshake rather than a right wing machete...
Lefties are angry.... F&&king right

Lefties tend to be angry whilst right wingers, calmly and rationally take out a semi automatic weapons and fire into crowds or drive vans at people outside mosques, or calmly, totally non-hatefully, go around hacking politicians to death, or say really non-agressive things like 'if there's a second referendum I'm picking up my gun'.... That what you mean 'ninja'?

I cant remember the last time Owen Jones was so angry he kicked someones head in... But I do remember when some really calm, peaceable, not-angry-at-all right wing nicies kicked his in.

Oh yeah i remember when some of those rabid nasty lefties lobbed some milkshake at those poor poor right wing politicians.
I'm sure Jo Cox wouldn't have minded being on the end of a milkshake rather than a right wing machete...
Lefties are angry.... F&&king right

If Carlsberg did posts...

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Sorry, not sure what I'm supposed to be letting go of. I can't abide Trump. But I dislike lefties even more.

That lady on the earlier video, I hadn't seen or heard of her until about an hour ago. I don't know whether to believe her or not to be frank, but I'd take her word over many of the people that post here.

Just out of interest ninja how do you term 'lefties' ?

If you disagree with Trump do you feel he is more right wing than you feel comfortable with or not right wing enough ?

A genuine question.

Good question and I don't really know the answer tbh. As a sweeping generalisation lefties tend to be angry, envious and quite often hateful, and want to drag everyone down to the level of the lowest common denominator. I'm sure some are well meaning though. Prominent lefties I can't abide are Owen Jones Ash Sarkar (a self confessed commie I believe) and all of the previous Labour leadership team.

I don't really follow American politics but Trump is a buffoon, no doubt about it, but he was better than the alternative at the last US election. That doesn't say a lot. I honestly don't try to keep up with his policies or statements but occasionally I read or hear something that catches my attention - the recent furore about injecting detergent is a good example. I couldn't believe the deliberate misrepresentation and downright lies about his comments - typical leftie tactics. Will he be re-elected? I've no idea.

Sorry to butt in but i’m sure as a Brit talking about US politics it’s conceivable that we don’t use terms as they actually are.

The Republican Party is comparable with the Tory party and as such includes everyone to the right of the divide which is near right wing and far right wing. However, to compare the Democrat party as far right lefties isn’t quite correct but feasibly meant as it does operate left of Republicans but as far as far left goes, they have no “Labour Party” “Looney Left” equivalent. The Brit equivalent to the Democrat Party is the Social Democrat and anyone more left is the good old Communists.

This is how the moron Trump can support both the far right fascists and at the same time be Putin’s puppet and STILL think he has the upper hand. All this makes his support baffling to say the least and the same people that think he’s strong on Russia have never acknowledged his Helsinki meeting in which he stifled the interpreter and destroyed the notes taken. If this had been a Democrat Fox News would have mass exploding heads.

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Sorry, not sure what I'm supposed to be letting go of. I can't abide Trump. But I dislike lefties even more.

That lady on the earlier video, I hadn't seen or heard of her until about an hour ago. I don't know whether to believe her or not to be frank, but I'd take her word over many of the people that post here.

Just out of interest ninja how do you term 'lefties' ?

If you disagree with Trump do you feel he is more right wing than you feel comfortable with or not right wing enough ?

A genuine question.

Good question and I don't really know the answer tbh. As a sweeping generalisation lefties tend to be angry, envious and quite often hateful, and want to drag everyone down to the level of the lowest common denominator. I'm sure some are well meaning though. Prominent lefties I can't abide are Owen Jones Ash Sarkar (a self confessed commie I believe) and all of the previous Labour leadership team.

I don't really follow American politics but Trump is a buffoon, no doubt about it, but he was better than the alternative at the last US election. That doesn't say a lot. I honestly don't try to keep up with his policies or statements but occasionally I read or hear something that catches my attention - the recent furore about injecting detergent is a good example. I couldn't believe the deliberate misrepresentation and downright lies about his comments - typical leftie tactics. Will he be re-elected? I've no idea.

Sorry to butt in but i’m sure as a Brit talking about US politics it’s conceivable that we don’t use terms as they actually are.

The Republican Party is comparable with the Tory party and as such includes everyone to the right of the divide which is near right wing and far right wing. However, to compare the Democrat party as far right lefties isn’t quite correct but feasibly meant as it does operate left of Republicans but as far as far left goes, they have no “Labour Party” “Looney Left” equivalent. The Brit equivalent to the Democrat Party is the Social Democrat and anyone more left is the good old Communists.

This is how the moron Trump can support both the far right fascists and at the same time be Putin’s puppet and STILL think he has the upper hand. All this makes his support baffling to say the least and the same people that think he’s strong on Russia have never acknowledged his Helsinki meeting in which he stifled the interpreter and destroyed the notes taken. If this had been a Democrat Fox News would have mass exploding heads.

Not counting Bernie Sanders although he is still not as looney left as Corbyn for example.

Lefties tend to be angry whilst right wingers, calmly and rationally take out a semi automatic weapons and fire into crowds or drive vans at people outside mosques, or calmly, totally non-hatefully, go around hacking politicians to death, or say really non-agressive things like 'if there's a second referendum I'm picking up my gun'.... That what you mean 'ninja'?

I cant remember the last time Owen Jones was so angry he kicked someones head in... But I do remember when some really calm, peaceable, not-angry-at-all right wing nicies kicked his in.

Oh yeah i remember when some of those rabid nasty lefties lobbed some milkshake at those poor poor right wing politicians.
I'm sure Jo Cox wouldn't have minded being on the end of a milkshake rather than a right wing machete...
Lefties are angry.... F&&king right

So we're getting mixed up here. The far right in America is without doubt a scary proposition and to be abhorred by most sensible human beings. But to compare that with Owen Jones and UK politics in general is wrong - we have far right and far left in the UK - both equally dumb in my opinion - but whilst there are incidents they are never really on the scale of what we see over the pond.

You are right to pick out some pretty nasty UK incidents, but there are nasties on the left as well. In Corbyn's era, the Momentum crowd would often turn up, mob handed - most notably for me was when Amber Rudd deputised for Theresa May when her father had passed away and was baited horrifically.

And then last week we had the delightful Andy Dawson - who incidentally has written for both the Mirror and Guardian tweeting this about Michael Gove:

“I see your **** of a husband is lying through his ******* teeth all over the TV this morning.

“I’d pay hard cash to chase the ****** down the street and boot him in the b***s and DEFINITELY in front of your kids cos they need to know what a rank s***house their dad is.”

And yes, as you'll deduce addressed directly to Gove's wife. Delightful.

Let's be honest, we have our fair share of idiocy on both sides of the political spectrum, but as Ade says, let's not confuse that with America.

Lefties tend to be angry whilst right wingers, calmly and rationally take out a semi automatic weapons and fire into crowds or drive vans at people outside mosques, or calmly, totally non-hatefully, go around hacking politicians to death, or say really non-agressive things like 'if there's a second referendum I'm picking up my gun'.... That what you mean 'ninja'?

I cant remember the last time Owen Jones was so angry he kicked someones head in... But I do remember when some really calm, peaceable, not-angry-at-all right wing nicies kicked his in.

Oh yeah i remember when some of those rabid nasty lefties lobbed some milkshake at those poor poor right wing politicians.
I'm sure Jo Cox wouldn't have minded being on the end of a milkshake rather than a right wing machete...
Lefties are angry.... F&&king right

So we're getting mixed up here. The far right in America is without doubt a scary proposition and to be abhorred by most sensible human beings. But to compare that with Owen Jones and UK politics in general is wrong - we have far right and far left in the UK - both equally dumb in my opinion - but whilst there are incidents they are never really on the scale of what we see over the pond.

You are right to pick out some pretty nasty UK incidents, but there are nasties on the left as well. In Corbyn's era, the Momentum crowd would often turn up, mob handed - most notably for me was when Amber Rudd deputised for Theresa May when her father had passed away and was baited horrifically.

And then last week we had the delightful Andy Dawson - who incidentally has written for both the Mirror and Guardian tweeting this about Michael Gove:

“I see your **** of a husband is lying through his ******* teeth all over the TV this morning.

“I’d pay hard cash to chase the ****** down the street and boot him in the b***s and DEFINITELY in front of your kids cos they need to know what a rank s***house their dad is.”

And yes, as you'll deduce addressed directly to Gove's wife. Delightful.

Let's be honest, we have our fair share of idiocy on both sides of the political spectrum, but as Ade says, let's not confuse that with America.

I wasn't confusing them.
'lefties' were generalised in another post angry and hateful.
I merely pointed out I couldn't remember a recent time when someone on the left got so angry that they macheted a politician to death.
Same as I can't remember a leftie getting so riled as to drive their car into a group of people and murder a young girl.
No confusion here about whose angry and whose not
Michael Gove's wife remains unharmed I'm happy to report... However Jo Cox's husband still grieves
If you want to conflate the murder of a politician by machete or a right wing person driving into muslims with a d list comedian from Sunderland shooting his mouth off be my guest.

Lefties tend to be angry whilst right wingers, calmly and rationally take out a semi automatic weapons and fire into crowds or drive vans at people outside mosques, or calmly, totally non-hatefully, go around hacking politicians to death, or say really non-agressive things like 'if there's a second referendum I'm picking up my gun'.... That what you mean 'ninja'?

I cant remember the last time Owen Jones was so angry he kicked someones head in... But I do remember when some really calm, peaceable, not-angry-at-all right wing nicies kicked his in.

Oh yeah i remember when some of those rabid nasty lefties lobbed some milkshake at those poor poor right wing politicians.
I'm sure Jo Cox wouldn't have minded being on the end of a milkshake rather than a right wing machete...
Lefties are angry.... F&&king right

So we're getting mixed up here. The far right in America is without doubt a scary proposition and to be abhorred by most sensible human beings. But to compare that with Owen Jones and UK politics in general is wrong - we have far right and far left in the UK - both equally dumb in my opinion - but whilst there are incidents they are never really on the scale of what we see over the pond.

You are right to pick out some pretty nasty UK incidents, but there are nasties on the left as well. In Corbyn's era, the Momentum crowd would often turn up, mob handed - most notably for me was when Amber Rudd deputised for Theresa May when her father had passed away and was baited horrifically.

And then last week we had the delightful Andy Dawson - who incidentally has written for both the Mirror and Guardian tweeting this about Michael Gove:

“I see your **** of a husband is lying through his ******* teeth all over the TV this morning.

“I’d pay hard cash to chase the ****** down the street and boot him in the b***s and DEFINITELY in front of your kids cos they need to know what a rank s***house their dad is.”

And yes, as you'll deduce addressed directly to Gove's wife. Delightful.

Let's be honest, we have our fair share of idiocy on both sides of the political spectrum, but as Ade says, let's not confuse that with America.

I wasn't confusing them.
'lefties' were generalised in another post angry and hateful.
I merely pointed out I couldn't remember a recent time when someone on the left got so angry that they macheted a politician to death.
Same as I can't remember a leftie getting so riled as to drive their car into a group of people and murder a young girl.
No confusion here about whose angry and whose not
Michael Gove's wife remains unharmed I'm happy to report... However Jo Cox's husband still grieves
If you want to conflate the murder of a politician by machete or a right wing person driving into muslims with a d list comedian from Sunderland shooting his mouth off be my guest.

Funny, you come across as rather angry.

Mair did indeed have far right views and also had mental health issues. I wasn't comparing or conflating the two incidents - merely using them as examples of hate on the far side of each wing - I think any reasonable person would have noticed that.

You may label him a D list comedian, but Dawson has in the past been given a platform by two national newspapers. Gove's wife may indeed be physically unharmed, but what about the impacts on her psychologically - or god forbid the kids had they seen that. That's OK is it?

There are scholarly articles and governent sponsored reports that you might research that suggest violence from the far right often comes from individuals, whereas violence from the far left tends to be in the form of protest. In my opinion these are generalisations though as thugs, no matter who they support, will look to exploit a good old peaceful protest.

Lefties tend to be angry whilst right wingers, calmly and rationally take out a semi automatic weapons and fire into crowds or drive vans at people outside mosques, or calmly, totally non-hatefully, go around hacking politicians to death, or say really non-agressive things like 'if there's a second referendum I'm picking up my gun'.... That what you mean 'ninja'?

I cant remember the last time Owen Jones was so angry he kicked someones head in... But I do remember when some really calm, peaceable, not-angry-at-all right wing nicies kicked his in.

Oh yeah i remember when some of those rabid nasty lefties lobbed some milkshake at those poor poor right wing politicians.
I'm sure Jo Cox wouldn't have minded being on the end of a milkshake rather than a right wing machete...
Lefties are angry.... F&&king right

So we're getting mixed up here. The far right in America is without doubt a scary proposition and to be abhorred by most sensible human beings. But to compare that with Owen Jones and UK politics in general is wrong - we have far right and far left in the UK - both equally dumb in my opinion - but whilst there are incidents they are never really on the scale of what we see over the pond.

You are right to pick out some pretty nasty UK incidents, but there are nasties on the left as well. In Corbyn's era, the Momentum crowd would often turn up, mob handed - most notably for me was when Amber Rudd deputised for Theresa May when her father had passed away and was baited horrifically.

And then last week we had the delightful Andy Dawson - who incidentally has written for both the Mirror and Guardian tweeting this about Michael Gove:

“I see your **** of a husband is lying through his ******* teeth all over the TV this morning.

“I’d pay hard cash to chase the ****** down the street and boot him in the b***s and DEFINITELY in front of your kids cos they need to know what a rank s***house their dad is.”

And yes, as you'll deduce addressed directly to Gove's wife. Delightful.

Let's be honest, we have our fair share of idiocy on both sides of the political spectrum, but as Ade says, let's not confuse that with America.

I wasn't confusing them.
'lefties' were generalised in another post angry and hateful.
I merely pointed out I couldn't remember a recent time when someone on the left got so angry that they macheted a politician to death.
Same as I can't remember a leftie getting so riled as to drive their car into a group of people and murder a young girl.
No confusion here about whose angry and whose not
Michael Gove's wife remains unharmed I'm happy to report... However Jo Cox's husband still grieves
If you want to conflate the murder of a politician by machete or a right wing person driving into muslims with a d list comedian from Sunderland shooting his mouth off be my guest.

Funny, you come across as rather angry.

Mair did indeed have far right views and also had mental health issues. I wasn't comparing or conflating the two incidents - merely using them as examples of hate on the far side of each wing - I think any reasonable person would have noticed that.

You may label him a D list comedian, but Dawson has in the past been given a platform by two national newspapers. Gove's wife may indeed be physically unharmed, but what about the impacts on her psychologically - or god forbid the kids had they seen that. That's OK is it?

There are scholarly articles and governent sponsored reports that you might research that suggest violence from the far right often comes from individuals, whereas violence from the far left tends to be in the form of protest. In my opinion these are generalisations though as thugs, no matter who they support, will look to exploit a good old peaceful protest.

Did I say Dawsons actions were ok? No.
However his comments are but one drip of a Sunderland tap in an ocean of death threats that many 'progressive' (or as I like to deem them fair) politicians have received or that were sent the way of the so-called 'traitors' and 'enemies of the people'.

It seems that most acts of right wing violence are quickly airbrushed with the 'history of mental health issues' defence.
Again, even taking this into consideration, I cant remember a leftie with 'a history of mental health issues' visiting a Norwegian island to massacre a bunch of schoolkids in the name of their beliefs.

How many 'lone wolfs', as you would have us believe they are, do we have to see driving into people or murdering politicians until we have to say that, actually, murderous violence is a right wing disease

There's way too much disingenuous false equivalency being used in the left vs right debate - and thank you, u_t_l, for replying to ninja. I just get so bloody fed up with engaging with these people who claim to be "the voice of reason" with "no axe to grind" who always, without fail, turn out to be a long, long way right of centre politically, often seemingly without even realising it themselves. But oh, one thing they do know is that they don't like lefties!

In the mean time, and back in the real world, I think that Trump has more or less taken on the mentality of a defeated and retreating army that destroys everything as it goes - crops, livestock, bridges, roads, railways, buildings - any and all infrastructure that the advancing army could use in the future. He is, in essence, burning down America, while all the true autocrats and dictators around the world just rub their hands in glee that he's made their job so easy for them.

There's way too much disingenuous false equivanency being used in the left vs right debate - and thank you, u_t_l, for replying to ninja. I just get so bloody fed up with engaging with these people who claim to be "the voice of reason" with "no axe to grind" who always, without fail, turn out to be a long, long way right of centre politically, often seemingly without even realising it themselves. But oh, one thing they do know is that they don't like lefties!

In the mean time, and back in the real world, I think that Trump has more or less taken on the mentality of a defeated and retreating army that destroys everything as it goes - crops, livestock, bridges, roads, railways, buildings - any and all infrastructure that the advancing army can use in the future. He is, in essence, burning down America, while all the true autocrats and dictators around the world just rub their hands in glee that he's made their job so easy for them.

False equivocation... Good phrase.
A bit like equating a threat to kick someone in the nads (unpleasant and distressing as that may be), with the very real, very actual death and bloodshed wrought upon innocent people in the name of right wing beliefs