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Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 09:01 07 Sep 2020
by MickyD
Quinny wrote:
Emeraldinho wrote: I really don’t know who’s the more pathetic and puerile - Trump or the rabid morons that vote for him. :facepalm:


No.

As I've said before, many of those who voted for Trump aren't rabid morons: they're low-paid, hard-working blue-collar workers in the mid-West. They've seen their jobs go to cheaper alternatives overseas, and the Democrats don't seem to get or understand their frustrations. Then Trump comes along and says "I hear you - I'll protect your jobs: I'll make sure America becomes a manufacturing base again". That's all they care about: having a job and putting bread on the table.

Calling them rabid morons means you understand these blue-collar workers about as well as the Democrat Party does, and it is just that kind of response which improves Trump's chances of re-election in November.
And related to that theme...

Reformed Neo-Nazi Explains How People Fall Prey to QAnon Online

The whole thing is interesting (and scary) but she herself speaks from 4.36. What she says is all to be expected but it's worth hearing it put eloquently by a former devotee.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 10:02 07 Sep 2020
by Ade the green
Quinny wrote:
Emeraldinho wrote: I really don’t know who’s the more pathetic and puerile - Trump or the rabid morons that vote for him. :facepalm:


No.

As I've said before, many of those who voted for Trump aren't rabid morons: they're low-paid, hard-working blue-collar workers in the mid-West. They've seen their jobs go to cheaper alternatives overseas, and the Democrats don't seem to get or understand their frustrations. Then Trump comes along and says "I hear you - I'll protect your jobs: I'll make sure America becomes a manufacturing base again". That's all they care about: having a job and putting bread on the table.

Calling them rabid morons means you understand these blue-collar workers about as well as the Democrat Party does, and it is just that kind of response which improves Trump's chances of re-election in November.


A good post and certainly one that explains the “logic” in voting for Trump and maybe the “rabid” doesn’t sit with every voter.

However, “rabid” certainly describes the Trump administration and campaign to have him re-elected. Francis Brennan thought it was a good look that whilst his boss was golfing, a tweet about Joe Biden going to church on labour day weekend
deserved scrutiny. Especially as Biden refused to walk towards the awaiting press for a sound bite. Never mind that Joe Biden was walking to the graves of his Son, Daughter and first wife in order to pay his respects.

Maybe Clinton was wrong to call Trump supporters despicable but it definitely stands up well to call out his administration.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 10:33 07 Sep 2020
by MickyD
* The word Clinton used was "deplorable".

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 11:01 07 Sep 2020
by Quinny
Ade the green wrote: However, “rabid” certainly describes the Trump administration and campaign to have him re-elected.


Oh, you won't get any arguments from me on that :greensmile:

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 11:12 07 Sep 2020
by Ave_IT
Quinny wrote:
Emeraldinho wrote: I really don’t know who’s the more pathetic and puerile - Trump or the rabid morons that vote for him. :facepalm:


No.

As I've said before, many of those who voted for Trump aren't rabid morons: they're low-paid, hard-working blue-collar workers in the mid-West. They've seen their jobs go to cheaper alternatives overseas, and the Democrats don't seem to get or understand their frustrations. Then Trump comes along and says "I hear you - I'll protect your jobs: I'll make sure America becomes a manufacturing base again". That's all they care about: having a job and putting bread on the table.

Calling them rabid morons means you understand these blue-collar workers about as well as the Democrat Party does, and it is just that kind of response which improves Trump's chances of re-election in November.

At the risk of sounding like some wishy-washy hippie trying to make everyone love each other ……. I think you’re both right. :huddle:

There’s little doubt that there ARE a lot of rabid morons who fervently support Trump. Really scary scum-bags with such extreme ideas & attitudes any sane individual can’t help but wonder if they are the same species as the rest of us. Ironically, Trump isn’t in the same league as these types and he is too stupid to understand they are as much a threat to him as to everyone else (they’ll happily string him up - literally - when he’s served his purpose). However, although their numbers may be frightening they mercifully represent a tiny minority of the population and Trump could never get elected by them alone.

So Quinny is right to say millions of basically decent, hard working Americans often in blue collar jobs have been badly let down, not just the left, but the ‘decent right’ too (there is such a thing). It’s equally true in the UK by the way. ‘Globalisation’ has been great in many ways (and I’m certainly not against it in principle) but the rewards have been skewed to a minority and the pain inflicted on traditional working class areas who have seen jobs disappear and the gap between the haves-and-have-nots widen.

Imagine you & your family lived in these communities and had seen jobs & livelihoods disappear steadily for years to be replaced by a low-paid service industry work & the gig economy and you’ve also seen a large influx of immigrants with no corresponding investment in local infrastructure. You also watch as people around you get richer and richer and it’s all shoved down your throat on social media. Wouldn’t you feel resentful and angry? Then you see left wing politicians apparently spending their whole time campaigning about ‘identity politics’ – racial equality, gender equality, sexuality equality, etc. etc….. all worthy causes for sure but what the Hell does that have to do with your problems? When the left do pause for breath from their other concerns instead of telling you they seek some sort of equality for you they just bang on about a ‘meritocracy’ in which the most talented & dynamic get to the top - the implication being if you’re at the bottom it’s your own fault for being too stupid & lazy.

So is it any wonder when someone like Trump who is quite different comes along with simple clear messages…….. It’s not your fault. The elite have sold your jobs overseas, the immigrants have under-cut you to take even your low-skilled jobs and you can’t trust the media because they are part of the conspiracy to keep themselves and their cronies at the top. Trump may be a powerful multi-millionaire but despite his obvious lies he is an outsider for that ‘liberal elite’ who clearly hate him – but at least he speaks his mind and talks about your concerns unlike the self-indulgent @rses who claim to represent you and take your vote for granted but seem to be more worried about things like Transgender rights FFS. Can you blame anyone in those circumstances for backing someone to shake things up – what have you got to lose?

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 04:59 08 Sep 2020
by Mike E
Interesting and enlightening posts, that point out desperation with the status quo as a reason for voting Trump ( and even Brexit). Maybe looking back possibly with rose tinted glasses as to how things used to be ?

I know their immediate needs are utmost
but there has to be a moronic element to voting for, thus supporting, climate change denial and the speeding up of the eventual destruction of the very environment that enables them, their children and their grandchildren to survive.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 19:32 09 Sep 2020
by MickyD
I'm about a third of the way into Michael Cohen's book, but I'll wait until I've finished it.

There's yet another bombshell book about to hit the shelves (next Tuesday): Rage, the follow-up to Fear, by Watergate veteran Bob Woodward. Aside from lots of interviews with others, Woodward has nine hours of taped interviews (18 in total) with Trump himself over a period of months - including Trump's admission that he knew all about the seriousness of Covid at least as early as the first week in February. Those recordings are already appearing on news programmes.

I mean, what the hell is wrong with that man, and his White House cronies, that he and they would even consider taking part in more interviews with Bob Woodward, of all people? After Fear, were they seriously expecting lots of positive coverage?

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 07:23 11 Sep 2020
by Martyn
The most insulting and damaging issues from this weeks revelations, is that Trump stated that it is an airborne passed virus, but decided, not to announce it to avoid calmness.

But he is STILL KILLING his own people, by holding rallies, without social distancing and masks, he is still killing people.

He knows it is wrong, but he continues to kill people, when will his own people understand, because he doesn’t,

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 09:32 11 Sep 2020
by Balham_Green
Martyn wrote: The most insulting and damaging issues from this weeks revelations, is that Trump stated that it is an airborne passed virus, but decided, not to announce it to avoid calmness.

But he is STILL KILLING his own people, by holding rallies, without social distancing and masks, he is still killing people.

He knows it is wrong, but he continues to kill people, when will his own people understand, because he doesn’t,


He doesnt care rather than understand. Is that what you mean?

re posts above about US voters. Its quite an indictment of them if they are willing to vote for and believe in somebody who is a compulsive liar, clearly corrupt, racist, sexist, mysoginistic, narcissistic, hypocritical, uninformed and quite possibly a psychopath. Apart from all that he was never going to help the low income voter anyway. So more fool them.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 16:15 11 Sep 2020
by Martyn
Balham_Green wrote:
Martyn wrote: The most insulting and damaging issues from this weeks revelations, is that Trump stated that it is an airborne passed virus, but decided, not to announce it to avoid calmness.

But he is STILL KILLING his own people, by holding rallies, without social distancing and masks, he is still killing people.

He knows it is wrong, but he continues to kill people, when will his own people understand, because he doeesn’t,


He doesnt care rather than understand. Is that what you mean?

re posts above about US voters. Its quite an indictment of them if they are willing to vote for and believe in somebody who is a compulsive liar, clearly corrupt, racist, sexist, mysoginistic, narcissistic, hypocritical, uninformed and quite possibly a psychopath. Apart from all that he was never going to help the low income voter anyway. So more fool them.



Totally agree, with all the above.

I honestly think, and with all respect I think he needs to seek psychiatric help. He is becoming more and more tyrannical.

As each day goes by, the statements and actions are of a tyrant and despot. The decent people of the GOP, must be wondering what the hell is going on.

He needs to get medical advice.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 22:23 14 Sep 2020
by pilgrimage
Does this not just sum him up. When asked about whether he was worried about the lack of social distancing at his latest event. He said no because there was quite a distance between him and the crowd

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 07:34 18 Sep 2020
by Quinny
Remember my comment about the blue-collar workers? If there's any state - one state - which sums up how the Democrats lost their vote, it's Pennsylvania. As this article in 538 shows, after five Democratic victories in a row, Trump clinched the State at the last election, with Clinton making the mistake thinking that it was in the bag. As the article explains, not only did Trump win the State, it went redder than the national trend in the USofA.

And this State is crucial to both camps as it carries 20 votes in the Electoral College. As 538 calculates, if Trump wins Pennsylvania, he has an 84% chance of winning the Presidency: if Biden wins, he has a 96% of being in the White House. If anything, this State is more crucial to both campaigns than, say, the likes of Florida.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: 07:58 19 Sep 2020
by MickyD
Good grief, what appalling timing: Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg has died of cancer at the age of 87, setting up an almighty battle to get some hard-right judge in her seat before the election and secure a 6-3 conservtive majority for many years to come. Just what the country needed.

Edited to add: It's worth remembering that, when Justice Antonin Scalia died in February 2016, more than 11 months before the next presidential inauguration the following January, Mitch McConnell and chums, who had a Senate majority, spent that entire time blocking Obama's nomination Merrick Garland, based on McConnell's fake high-minded statement: "The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president."

The odious Brett "I Like Beer" Cavanaugh got the seat instead, once Trump was in power, thanks to the McConnell-led Senate majority and bucketloads of shamelessness all round.

Will McConnell adopt the same noble attitude this time around, with only four months to the inauguration? Will he #uck as like. American politics are just about to get even dirtier, scarcely believable as that may be.