I've a funny feeling that he has one last big thing/incident in him. He strikes me as the sort of guy that will want to go out with a bang. If I was in Iran now I'd be twitching a bit as it seems to me that he has always wanted to do something to slow down their nuclear development. With the Democrats and especially Biden coming in there is now no way that the US would launch a pre-emptive strike and so with his time in the big seat finishing soon I can see something like that being his swansong.

I've a funny feeling that he has one last big thing/incident in him. He strikes me as the sort of guy that will want to go out with a bang. If I was in Iran now I'd be twitching a bit as it seems to me that he has always wanted to do something to slow down their nuclear development. With the Democrats and especially Biden coming in there is now no way that the US would launch a pre-emptive strike and so with his time in the big seat finishing soon I can see something like that being his swansong.

Yes, and that's exactly why Nancy Pelosi was in urgent contact the other day with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, trying to ensure that the "deranged, unhinged, dangerous" (her words) president be prevented from such madness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnUFfLmwQA

I've a funny feeling that he has one last big thing/incident in him. He strikes me as the sort of guy that will want to go out with a bang. If I was in Iran now I'd be twitching a bit as it seems to me that he has always wanted to do something to slow down their nuclear development. With the Democrats and especially Biden coming in there is now no way that the US would launch a pre-emptive strike and so with his time in the big seat finishing soon I can see something like that being his swansong.

Yes, and that's exactly why Nancy Pelosi was in urgent contact the other day with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, trying to ensure that the "deranged, unhinged, dangerous" (her words) president be prevented from such madness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnUFfLmwQA

Thing is, I think these people may well want something to happen anyway so will be more than happy to support him irrespective of what Pelosi wants. I'm not sure but I think as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces he can order a military strike without Congressional approval.

I've a funny feeling that he has one last big thing/incident in him. He strikes me as the sort of guy that will want to go out with a bang. If I was in Iran now I'd be twitching a bit as it seems to me that he has always wanted to do something to slow down their nuclear development. With the Democrats and especially Biden coming in there is now no way that the US would launch a pre-emptive strike and so with his time in the big seat finishing soon I can see something like that being his swansong.

Yes, and that's exactly why Nancy Pelosi was in urgent contact the other day with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, trying to ensure that the "deranged, unhinged, dangerous" (her words) president be prevented from such madness.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnUFfLmwQA

Thing is, I think these people may well want something to happen anyway so will be more than happy to support him irrespective of what Pelosi wants. I'm not sure but I think as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces he can order a military strike without Congressional approval.

True, but he had got to work with the Pentagon to do it,

Hence the phone call from Pelosi to the JCS, and I am sure, there all plenty of adults in the room, at the Pentagon, to stop him.

https://news.sky.com/story/us-capitol-r ... s-12184271

Class. Arnie is a Republican too

I must admit after re-reading my own earlier posts again - for a middle aged, middle class, white English bloke who lives in Devon I do come across overly certain things will be OK in America and the dangers of Trumpism is now all over . Although I think in the longer term that is true and Trump certainly delivered one almighty stress test to the fabric of American democracy it did ultimately hold and will continue to do so ……. there are some very disturbing reports coming out of America that highlight dangers that still exist and about who exactly was involved in the events of last Wednesday. I don’t mean the ludicrous claim that it was actually Antifa radicals masquerading as Trump supporters in order to discredit them. (If they were then the cunning b****ds sure Hell had me fooled !! ).

No, far more serious and credible reports suggest that up to 25 “active duty and reserve military members were involved in the insurrection” ( see link). In light of this the Pentagon have been asked to review all members of the security forces who will be deployed for the inauguration to ensure they “are not sympathetic to domestic terrorists”. Isn't it just astonishing that such a thing is necessary? We're talking about the United States of America not Zimbabwe FFS !! However, I find it hard to believe that security will not be so tight now for the inauguration that anything serious could happen on the 20th but as Micky pointed out (other thread I think) that there are other places the seriously scary nutters might target. I certainly wouldn’t be comfortable if I had a loved one on security duty at any of the other state capitols for example.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... 618295002/

I must admit after re-reading my own earlier posts again - for a middle aged, middle class, white English bloke who lives in Devon I do come across overly certain things will be OK in America and the dangers of Trumpism is now all over . Although I think in the longer term that is true and Trump certainly delivered one almighty stress test to the fabric of American democracy it did ultimately hold and will continue to do so ……. there are some very disturbing reports coming out of America that highlight dangers that still exist and about who exactly was involved in the events of last Wednesday. I don’t mean the ludicrous claim that it was actually Antifa radicals masquerading as Trump supporters in order to discredit them. (If they were then the cunning b****ds sure Hell had me fooled !! ).

No, far more serious and credible reports suggest that up to 25 “active duty and reserve military members were involved in the insurrection” ( see link). In light of this the Pentagon have been asked to review all members of the security forces who will be deployed for the inauguration to ensure they “are not sympathetic to domestic terrorists”. Isn't it just astonishing that such a thing is necessary? We're talking about the United States of America not Zimbabwe FFS !! However, I find it hard to believe that security will not be so tight now for the inauguration that anything serious could happen on the 20th but as Micky pointed out (other thread I think) that there are other places the seriously scary nutters might target. I certainly wouldn’t be comfortable if I had a loved one on security duty at any of the other state capitols for example.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... 618295002/

Yes, if the full story ever emerges (which I don't think it will) I suspect that the breadth and depth of the insurrectionary movement will be truly shocking. When you think how many millions of minds have been poisoned by Trump and his posse of scumbags; how many millions more hidden crazies gleefully crawled out from under their stones at his bidding; how military/law and order types naturally tend to be at least to the right of centre as a starting point; and how the modern GOP, even before Trump, is in truth just about as anti-democratic as you can get while still pretending otherwise, something like this was always going to happen. Hearing lots of those MAGA morons being interviewed on the 6th, they genuinely believed that they had some kind of sacred Constitutional right to ransack their own seat of government and murder Pence, Pelosi and others if they could, while many who have subsequently been arrested have actually been shocked and incensed.

It's been obvious for decades that America is a deeply, deeply messed up society, and part of me is actually very glad that this happened. I'm still appalled at the actual events, of course, and at how many GOP lawmakers still voted against the election results even after they themselves could have been massacred (or did they imagine that the marauders would single them out and keep them safe?) but still, finally - and unlike relatively small events that could be all too easily glossed over and even spun in Trumpism's favour - here was the rabid Trump base, there for all the world to see in their thousands in broad daylight, out and proud and rampant and thuggish and violent, setting about wrecking American democracy at the very heart of their own country's capital. All those people who have been burying their heads in the sand, pretending that it's all just talk and shouldn't be taken too seriously, could no longer escape the brutal, nascent totalitarian reality of where movements like Trumpism inevitably always lead.

Hearing lots of those MAGA morons being interviewed on the 6th, they genuinely believed that they had some kind of sacred Constitutional right to ransack their own seat of government and murder Pence, Pelosi and others if they could, while many who have subsequently been arrested have actually been shocked and incensed.

Taken from a Guardian article that sums up their stupidity...
"We’re talking about people whose idea of freedom is so warped that they seem genuinely affronted by the idea they aren’t actually free to stage a coup in a democracy. One guy on Wednesday posted a picture of his son standing inside the Capitol on a statue plinth with the words: “That’s my son!” By Thursday, he was inquiring: “Why are the FBI contacting me?” I was mesmerised by one clip of a Maga insurrectionist who explained, “This is a revolution!” but was positively outraged and appalled that she had been teargassed. America’s service culture runs deep."

I must admit after re-reading my own earlier posts again - for a middle aged, middle class, white English bloke who lives in Devon I do come across overly certain things will be OK in America and the dangers of Trumpism is now all over . Although I think in the longer term that is true and Trump certainly delivered one almighty stress test to the fabric of American democracy it did ultimately hold and will continue to do so ……. there are some very disturbing reports coming out of America that highlight dangers that still exist and about who exactly was involved in the events of last Wednesday. I don’t mean the ludicrous claim that it was actually Antifa radicals masquerading as Trump supporters in order to discredit them. (If they were then the cunning b****ds sure Hell had me fooled !! ).

No, far more serious and credible reports suggest that up to 25 “active duty and reserve military members were involved in the insurrection” ( see link). In light of this the Pentagon have been asked to review all members of the security forces who will be deployed for the inauguration to ensure they “are not sympathetic to domestic terrorists”. Isn't it just astonishing that such a thing is necessary? We're talking about the United States of America not Zimbabwe FFS !! However, I find it hard to believe that security will not be so tight now for the inauguration that anything serious could happen on the 20th but as Micky pointed out (other thread I think) that there are other places the seriously scary nutters might target. I certainly wouldn’t be comfortable if I had a loved one on security duty at any of the other state capitols for example.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... 618295002/

Yes, if the full story ever emerges (which I don't think it will) I suspect that the breadth and depth of the insurrectionary movement will be truly shocking. When you think how many millions of minds have been poisoned by Trump and his posse of scumbags; how many millions more hidden crazies gleefully crawled out from under their stones at his bidding; how military/law and order types naturally tend to be at least to the right of centre as a starting point; and how the modern GOP, even before Trump, is in truth just about as anti-democratic as you can get while still pretending otherwise, something like this was always going to happen. Hearing lots of those MAGA morons being interviewed on the 6th, they genuinely believed that they had some kind of sacred Constitutional right to ransack their own seat of government and murder Pence, Pelosi and others if they could, while many who have subsequently been arrested have actually been shocked and incensed.

It's been obvious for decades that America is a deeply, deeply messed up society, and part of me is actually very glad that this happened. I'm still appalled at the actual events, of course, and at how many GOP lawmakers still voted against the election results even after they themselves could have been massacred (or did they imagine that the marauders would single them out and keep them safe?) but still, finally - and unlike relatively small events that could be all too easily glossed over and even spun in Trumpism's favour - here was the rabid Trump base, there for all the world to see in their thousands in broad daylight, out and proud and rampant and thuggish and violent, setting about wrecking American democracy at the very heart of their own country's capital. All those people who have been burying their heads in the sand, pretending that it's all just talk and shouldn't be taken too seriously, could no longer escape the brutal, nascent totalitarian reality of where movements like Trumpism inevitably always lead.

Can't argue with that. I've served with them and there is definitely something different about them. Thinking about what happened over there recently I couldn't help but draw a broad parallel with the Brexit Remainer marches that happened in our Capital. Thankfully we seem to understand what democracy actually means.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/12/deutsche-bank-severs-ties-with-donald-trump

I bet Trump is starting to get worried now.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/12/deutsche-bank-severs-ties-with-donald-trump

I bet Trump is starting to get worried now.

Hes too cocky to be worried about that.

Remember he's been bankrupt half a dozen times, clearly doesn't care about money.

Plus I'm sure he's guaranteed millions for the rest of his life speaking at right wing conventions.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/12/deutsche-bank-severs-ties-with-donald-trump

I bet Trump is starting to get worried now.

Hes too cocky to be worried about that.

Remember he's been bankrupt half a dozen times, clearly doesn't care about money.

Plus I'm sure he's guaranteed millions for the rest of his life speaking at right wing conventions.

He’s reported to have built up a war chest of 250 million dollars from crowd funding for his re-election, even though he’s not obliged to spend it for that purpose.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/12/deutsche-bank-severs-ties-with-donald-trump

I bet Trump is starting to get worried now.

Hes too cocky to be worried about that.

Remember he's been bankrupt half a dozen times, clearly doesn't care about money.

Plus I'm sure he's guaranteed millions for the rest of his life speaking at right wing conventions.

He’s reported to have built up a war chest of 250 million dollars from crowd funding for his re-election, even though he’s not obliged to spend it for that purpose.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of that disappears especially as I'm sure his team have already found places to "invest" it.

On a side note, does anyone else see the irony in Trump visiting the Alamo today?