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Re: EU vote

Posted: 19:42 02 Nov 2020
by Willis88
Someone pointed out this week that with the new lockdown businesses potentially will have 8 working days to prepare for Brexit, given that there's no guidance on the paperwork, regulations and restrictions of trade many will fail to be compliant.

Brexit + probably a 3rd lockdown will decimate the UK economy worse than anyone had expected.

Project fear will look like a party in comparison I'm sure.

Re: EU vote

Posted: 09:06 03 Nov 2020
by oldage
Willis88 wrote: Someone pointed out this week that with the new lockdown businesses potentially will have 8 working days to prepare for Brexit, given that there's no guidance on the paperwork, regulations and restrictions of trade many will fail to be compliant.

Brexit + probably a 3rd lockdown will decimate the UK economy worse than anyone had expected.

Project fear will look like a party in comparison I'm sure.

I wasn't aware that the government were locking down communications as well! I am normally in the "half empty " cautious category but life will continue and the EU are facing similar difficulties. I assume you are a Remainer and are therefore hoping that things go wrong so you can tell everybody "we told you so".

Re: EU vote

Posted: 09:33 03 Nov 2020
by mervyn
oldage wrote:
Willis88 wrote: Someone pointed out this week that with the new lockdown businesses potentially will have 8 working days to prepare for Brexit, given that there's no guidance on the paperwork, regulations and restrictions of trade many will fail to be compliant.

Brexit + probably a 3rd lockdown will decimate the UK economy worse than anyone had expected.

Project fear will look like a party in comparison I'm sure.

I wasn't aware that the government were locking down communications as well! I am normally in the "half empty " cautious category but life will continue and the EU are facing similar difficulties. I assume you are a Remainer and are therefore hoping that things go wrong so you can tell everybody "we told you so".



I think the problem with us remainers Oldage, is that we are so certain that brexit is bad news for the UK in every way, that every step of the process looks bad. I’m afraid it will stay that way until a brexiteer gives us one single, coherent, logical reason why brexit will benefit the UK.

Re: EU vote

Posted: 11:33 03 Nov 2020
by oldage
We shall see but even you must now appreciate that there is no turning back. I still think there is a chance of a deal but either way the clock is ticking down and what will be,will be.

Re: EU vote

Posted: 12:32 03 Nov 2020
by Willis88
oldage wrote:
Willis88 wrote: Someone pointed out this week that with the new lockdown businesses potentially will have 8 working days to prepare for Brexit, given that there's no guidance on the paperwork, regulations and restrictions of trade many will fail to be compliant.

Brexit + probably a 3rd lockdown will decimate the UK economy worse than anyone had expected.

Project fear will look like a party in comparison I'm sure.

I wasn't aware that the government were locking down communications as well! I am normally in the "half empty " cautious category but life will continue and the EU are facing similar difficulties. I assume you are a Remainer and are therefore hoping that things go wrong so you can tell everybody "we told you so".


Remainer or not my point was businesses who will need to change their processes to account for the new regs now have less than 8 business days to sort themselves out.

Communications from the government or not, if you have to furlough your staff as you're not trading you won't be able to change anything before 2nd December. There will be a lot of businesses in this position.

Given hospitality relies a lot on foreign imports (food, cleaning products etc) they'll be struggling to sort out suppliers whilst having no staff available and no guidance from the government.

Doesn't matter if you're remain or leave, the problem is there.

Re: EU vote

Posted: 15:44 03 Nov 2020
by signalspast
Willis88 wrote:
oldage wrote:
Willis88 wrote: Someone pointed out this week that with the new lockdown businesses potentially will have 8 working days to prepare for Brexit, given that there's no guidance on the paperwork, regulations and restrictions of trade many will fail to be compliant.

Brexit + probably a 3rd lockdown will decimate the UK economy worse than anyone had expected.

Project fear will look like a party in comparison I'm sure.

I wasn't aware that the government were locking down communications as well! I am normally in the "half empty " cautious category but life will continue and the EU are facing similar difficulties. I assume you are a Remainer and are therefore hoping that things go wrong so you can tell everybody "we told you so".


Remainer or not my point was businesses who will need to change their processes to account for the new regs now have less than 8 business days to sort themselves out.

Communications from the government or not, if you have to furlough your staff as you're not trading you won't be able to change anything before 2nd December. There will be a lot of businesses in this position.

Given hospitality relies a lot on foreign imports (food, cleaning products etc) they'll be struggling to sort out suppliers whilst having no staff available and no guidance from the government.

Doesn't matter if you're remain or leave, the problem is there.


Yes it is going to cause problems and maybe its a wakeup call ti manufacture more of our own stuff. As for Brexit merv well I would argue that the reasons for leaving are already showing the buds of fruition with 52 trade agreements done to the EUs 11

Re: EU vote

Posted: 18:34 03 Nov 2020
by Willis88
signalspast wrote:
Willis88 wrote:
oldage wrote:
Willis88 wrote: Someone pointed out this week that with the new lockdown businesses potentially will have 8 working days to prepare for Brexit, given that there's no guidance on the paperwork, regulations and restrictions of trade many will fail to be compliant.

Brexit + probably a 3rd lockdown will decimate the UK economy worse than anyone had expected.

Project fear will look like a party in comparison I'm sure.

I wasn't aware that the government were locking down communications as well! I am normally in the "half empty " cautious category but life will continue and the EU are facing similar difficulties. I assume you are a Remainer and are therefore hoping that things go wrong so you can tell everybody "we told you so".


Remainer or not my point was businesses who will need to change their processes to account for the new regs now have less than 8 business days to sort themselves out.

Communications from the government or not, if you have to furlough your staff as you're not trading you won't be able to change anything before 2nd December. There will be a lot of businesses in this position.

Given hospitality relies a lot on foreign imports (food, cleaning products etc) they'll be struggling to sort out suppliers whilst having no staff available and no guidance from the government.

Doesn't matter if you're remain or leave, the problem is there.


Yes it is going to cause problems and maybe its a wakeup call ti manufacture more of our own stuff. As for Brexit merv well I would argue that the reasons for leaving are already showing the buds of fruition with 52 trade agreements done to the EUs 11


Thats a little silly. Its not the number its the quality.

I could go get a personal trade agreement with every country in the world, it would be on rubbish terms for me but I'd have more than anyone else!

The EU has less as I'm sure they demand more (and guaranteed get more than we do in the same deal)

Re: EU vote

Posted: 19:10 03 Nov 2020
by signalspast
Willis88 wrote:
signalspast wrote:
Willis88 wrote:
oldage wrote:
Willis88 wrote: Someone pointed out this week that with the new lockdown businesses potentially will have 8 working days to prepare for Brexit, given that there's no guidance on the paperwork, regulations and restrictions of trade many will fail to be compliant.

Brexit + probably a 3rd lockdown will decimate the UK economy worse than anyone had expected.

Project fear will look like a party in comparison I'm sure.

I wasn't aware that the government were locking down communications as well! I am normally in the "half empty " cautious category but life will continue and the EU are facing similar difficulties. I assume you are a Remainer and are therefore hoping that things go wrong so you can tell everybody "we told you so".


Remainer or not my point was businesses who will need to change their processes to account for the new regs now have less than 8 business days to sort themselves out.

Communications from the government or not, if you have to furlough your staff as you're not trading you won't be able to change anything before 2nd December. There will be a lot of businesses in this position.

Given hospitality relies a lot on foreign imports (food, cleaning products etc) they'll be struggling to sort out suppliers whilst having no staff available and no guidance from the government.

Doesn't matter if you're remain or leave, the problem is there.


Yes it is going to cause problems and maybe its a wakeup call ti manufacture more of our own stuff. As for Brexit merv well I would argue that the reasons for leaving are already showing the buds of fruition with 52 trade agreements done to the EUs 11


Thats a little silly. Its not the number its the quality.

I could go get a personal trade agreement with every country in the world, it would be on rubbish terms for me but I'd have more than anyone else!

The EU has less as I'm sure they demand more (and guaranteed get more than we do in the same deal)


Your assuming that because the EU is larger than the UK they will be better deals but let's take Japan not just the UK saying it but Japan saying it as well that the UK deal is better than the EUs deal so yes the quality is there. Also representing 27 individual countries can also be considered a weakness in negotiating an agreement because u have to please all 27 whereas the uk just has to please 1.

Re: EU vote

Posted: 22:27 03 Nov 2020
by Balham_Green
signalspast wrote:
Willis88 wrote:
signalspast wrote:
Willis88 wrote:
oldage wrote:
Willis88 wrote: Someone pointed out this week that with the new lockdown businesses potentially will have 8 working days to prepare for Brexit, given that there's no guidance on the paperwork, regulations and restrictions of trade many will fail to be compliant.

Brexit + probably a 3rd lockdown will decimate the UK economy worse than anyone had expected.

Project fear will look like a party in comparison I'm sure.

I wasn't aware that the government were locking down communications as well! I am normally in the "half empty " cautious category but life will continue and the EU are facing similar difficulties. I assume you are a Remainer and are therefore hoping that things go wrong so you can tell everybody "we told you so".


Remainer or not my point was businesses who will need to change their processes to account for the new regs now have less than 8 business days to sort themselves out.

Communications from the government or not, if you have to furlough your staff as you're not trading you won't be able to change anything before 2nd December. There will be a lot of businesses in this position.

Given hospitality relies a lot on foreign imports (food, cleaning products etc) they'll be struggling to sort out suppliers whilst having no staff available and no guidance from the government.

Doesn't matter if you're remain or leave, the problem is there.


Yes it is going to cause problems and maybe its a wakeup call ti manufacture more of our own stuff. As for Brexit merv well I would argue that the reasons for leaving are already showing the buds of fruition with 52 trade agreements done to the EUs 11


Thats a little silly. Its not the number its the quality.

I could go get a personal trade agreement with every country in the world, it would be on rubbish terms for me but I'd have more than anyone else!

The EU has less as I'm sure they demand more (and guaranteed get more than we do in the same deal)


Your assuming that because the EU is larger than the UK they will be better deals but let's take Japan not just the UK saying it but Japan saying it as well that the UK deal is better than the EUs deal so yes the quality is there. Also representing 27 individual countries can also be considered a weakness in negotiating an agreement because u have to please all 27 whereas the uk just has to please 1.


I assume you are including Liechenstein, Faroe Islands and Kosovo in that number? :facepalm:

Re: EU vote

Posted: 22:50 03 Nov 2020
by Willis88
signalspast wrote:
Willis88 wrote:
signalspast wrote:
Willis88 wrote:
oldage wrote:
Willis88 wrote: Someone pointed out this week that with the new lockdown businesses potentially will have 8 working days to prepare for Brexit, given that there's no guidance on the paperwork, regulations and restrictions of trade many will fail to be compliant.

Brexit + probably a 3rd lockdown will decimate the UK economy worse than anyone had expected.

Project fear will look like a party in comparison I'm sure.

I wasn't aware that the government were locking down communications as well! I am normally in the "half empty " cautious category but life will continue and the EU are facing similar difficulties. I assume you are a Remainer and are therefore hoping that things go wrong so you can tell everybody "we told you so".


Remainer or not my point was businesses who will need to change their processes to account for the new regs now have less than 8 business days to sort themselves out.

Communications from the government or not, if you have to furlough your staff as you're not trading you won't be able to change anything before 2nd December. There will be a lot of businesses in this position.

Given hospitality relies a lot on foreign imports (food, cleaning products etc) they'll be struggling to sort out suppliers whilst having no staff available and no guidance from the government.

Doesn't matter if you're remain or leave, the problem is there.


Yes it is going to cause problems and maybe its a wakeup call ti manufacture more of our own stuff. As for Brexit merv well I would argue that the reasons for leaving are already showing the buds of fruition with 52 trade agreements done to the EUs 11


Thats a little silly. Its not the number its the quality.

I could go get a personal trade agreement with every country in the world, it would be on rubbish terms for me but I'd have more than anyone else!

The EU has less as I'm sure they demand more (and guaranteed get more than we do in the same deal)


Your assuming that because the EU is larger than the UK they will be better deals but let's take Japan not just the UK saying it but Japan saying it as well that the UK deal is better than the EUs deal so yes the quality is there. Also representing 27 individual countries can also be considered a weakness in negotiating an agreement because u have to please all 27 whereas the uk just has to please 1.


From what I've read it seems Japan was more interested in giving us a good deal to attack the EU, so I'll give you that one as a plus.

However, until we've got a decent deal with the likes of China, USA etc I'm not going to start jumping for joy.

1 good deal does not a good decision make.

Re: EU vote

Posted: 10:25 08 Nov 2020
by Mike Charlick
oldage wrote:
Willis88 wrote: Someone pointed out this week that with the new lockdown businesses potentially will have 8 working days to prepare for Brexit, given that there's no guidance on the paperwork, regulations and restrictions of trade many will fail to be compliant.

Brexit + probably a 3rd lockdown will decimate the UK economy worse than anyone had expected.

Project fear will look like a party in comparison I'm sure.

I wasn't aware that the government were locking down communications as well! I am normally in the "half empty " cautious category but life will continue and the EU are facing similar difficulties. I assume you are a Remainer and are therefore hoping that things go wrong so you can tell everybody "we told you so".



I think most remainers are praying they were wrong, whereas leavers quite the opposite.

Re: EU vote

Posted: 09:53 10 Nov 2020
by Quinny
signalspast wrote: Your assuming that because the EU is larger than the UK they will be better deals but let's take Japan not just the UK saying it but Japan saying it as well that the UK deal is better than the EUs deal so yes the quality is there. Also representing 27 individual countries can also be considered a weakness in negotiating an agreement because u have to please all 27 whereas the uk just has to please 1.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-japan-trade-deal-liz-truss-exports-b1619263.html

Looks like that Japan deal isn't as good as Liz Truss et al have been bigging it up as being.

Re: EU vote

Posted: 12:39 10 Nov 2020
by signalspast
Quinny wrote:
signalspast wrote: Your assuming that because the EU is larger than the UK they will be better deals but let's take Japan not just the UK saying it but Japan saying it as well that the UK deal is better than the EUs deal so yes the quality is there. Also representing 27 individual countries can also be considered a weakness in negotiating an agreement because u have to please all 27 whereas the uk just has to please 1.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-japan-trade-deal-liz-truss-exports-b1619263.html

Looks like that Japan deal isn't as good as Liz Truss et al have been bigging it up as being.


Yes I did read it a few days ago but like I take reports in the daily express and telegraph with a pinch of salt due to them painting everything as rosy so I took that report with the same salt as they will paint it as bad as they can.
My own view point on the Japan deal is that much of it will just be copy and paste from the EU deal hence it was done so quick. However there is two important things behind it the first is the financial services part of the agreement which the EU dont currently have. Align this with China choosing London as there centre for europe over paris and frankfurt, combined with London being in talks with Zurich for the agreement that the EU rejected and withdrew passporting for switzerland then you have london having agreement with three of the top five.
The second important thing is the future agreement for the cross pacific agreement that we have been invited to join. Having an agreement with Japan makes this easier. I can see agreements in principle for the other big three within this agreement happening before the end of the year.
It was stated about agreement with the USA. Well Biden wont undo Trumps growling but will put USA first like trumps catchphrase the difference will be that he can kick ya with a smile instead of a growl. He can do it easily by saying you want us to undo such and such okay but we want. Anyway to the point. Biden wants back in the ccp and will prioritise that over europe, one of the reasons Trump pulled out was because it harmed the usa farming community and there having to raise the standards. The agreement is now in force and makes it harder for the usa to join however should they agree and uk is within the pact it will be agreement with usa via the backdoor
Just a few thoughts and I do realise it's just my thinking of possibilities