Ade the green wrote:Pottypilgrim wrote:signalspast wrote:mervyn wrote:Pottypilgrim wrote:ninjamissile wrote: I was looking forward to reading the discussion here about the way our EU friends are dealing with the vaccine issues but no-one seems interested......
Weird isn't it, how you don't hear anything from remainers when the EU act as they have. You would have thought that they would have had the decency to at least call out the EU after taking such action. Imagine if Trump had done something along these lines....pretty sure there would have been a mad rush to the keyboard.
What utter ####cks. I think most remainers, like me, have now accepted a democratic decision, even if we didn’t like the outcome. Same as we do each election if our party loses. I agree the EU screwed up big time here, and the overnight NI border action, now rescinded, has only compounded their cock-up.
But for leavers to link it to Brexit just shows the paucity of their argument. We need grown up conversations about the way ahead.
Historically it was the remainers that linked the roll out of the vaccine with brexit. When the UK decided to have its own rollout instead of joining the EU program.. The remain side were very quick to jump on the bandwagon stating that Boris was playing with Brexit politics and was going to cost lives instead of joining the beloved eu scheme.
As for paucity of arguements should you look back at the posts feom 1st January you will see quite a few revelling in every little problem thats encountered and trying to make out it proves the remain side correct. Even yourself posted.
Yes I was being deliberately quiet about it because whilst I consider the EU is doing all the talking for me and jumping off the proverbial cliff, I also think its a worldwide problem and if they have problems on our doorstep it also gives us problems so we should be assisting then if possible to overcome the problem
Spot on. We're into being one month out of the EU and leaving it is already proving to be the right thing to do. All the remainers can moan about at the moment is that businesses have to fill out more paperwork There are far more bureaucratic processes involved with being part of the EU especially when it comes to the commercial Contracts side of things as a few EU Countries have found when they tried to agree their own Contracts with the vaccine companies. The UK is in front of pretty much every other Country when it comes to this vaccine program and that would not have been the case if we were still being controlled by Brussels.
So we’re in front of the queue for vaccines, well done. But had we had accepted a shared responsibility for purchasing PPE last year when we went alone we might not be sitting with the worst per capita death rate from the virus. The only countries with more deaths than the U.K. have a far far greater population.
Pat yourselves on the back for our government finally getting something right but it’s been a long time since we got things so wrong in the first place.
Wasn't that shared responsibility a little sluggish in the procurement of PPE as they were with Vaccines?
I was living in Socialist Spain during their first and very strict lockdown and recall reports of exactly the same issues the UK gets singled out for. Spain spent rather a lot of money on Chinese test kits that were subsequently returned as faulty and unsuitable. Care home deaths were a scandal there too. Different regions took different approaches to counting the number of victims, so the true picture was never really sure.
There's a lot of good to be gained as a member of the EU but there's still a lot of problems in trying to maintain a joined up consistent approach. Individual countries are already doing their own things with Vaccine procurement.
To read on Social Media of people now attacking the UK over its own vaccination programme just because the EUs approach has been disappointing and over managed is a bit embarrassing.