Place your bets now on when we'll next be 4th in the CCC with a team in great form.

I personally dont think I'll see it now, not defeatist, just realist.

I got my bus pass next year and a pension and its hard to see now we can progress with strengh and over turn 125 years of history before I pop my clogs.

I'll carry on as long as I can still drive and remember where Im going.

More sadness than anger.

I'm 35 and don't think I will ever seen Argyle 4th in the Championship again. Too much money has infiltrated our game and we are going to get stranded in Leagues 1 and 2 soon.

The Premiership will get smaller soon and will start to invite Rangers et al. soon and more and more money will be centred on a "European league".

We had our chance and didn't take it.

And in between a host of other unanswered questions, not least how we built £12m of 'other operating costs' in 3 years, and how there came to be (in Ridsdale's words) 'holes' in the accounts that Stapleton was not aware of. Where did that money go, and what are these alleged holes?

There are a lot of parallels / ironies between us.

Ridsdale launched a "Golden ticket" scheme for season tickets. Money was going on players in a Jan transfer window, he said. Then it became the case he didn't really say it was going on players. No, going to pay tax bill. Which didn't happen.

We sold about 35m worth of players under Ridsdale. We too wonder where the holes in our finances arose.

Anyway, I still wish you guys the very best - in my opinion, the fans you take away are amongst the best in the entire league, given the distances you have to travel even for "local" games.

The problem is, Ridsdale isn't a saviour. Not in the slightest - ask yourselves what's in it for him.

He may not be our saviour but he can't make our situation worse, can he?

And how would overseeing a club going to the wall look on his cv? he may prove to be a bit of a crappy chairman but I can't see how he would be any worse than having Keith Todd at the helm.

He may not be our saviour but he can't make our situation worse, can he?

And how would overseeing a club going to the wall look on his cv? he may prove to be a bit of a crappy chairman but I can't see how he would be any worse than having Keith Todd at the helm.

hardly something to aspire to is it? I would have done less damage than todd but that doesn't mean I am the best option for PAFC.

If his plan results in pre packed admin and a place on the new board with stapes we could be looking at -15 points next season in league 2. There is a case for that to be considered 'making our situation worse'

Point(s) taken Jimbo, but what alternative do we have?
Oblivion or a Ridsdale chaired PAFC?

Starting to think I'd rather we started again with some decent folk in charge rather than any of the old board (who have presided over gross financial mismanagement) anywhere near the club.

As I've said elsewhere Stapes & Co never "went for it" instead offering financial stability.

We got neither-the club is paying the cost of success it never had.

Stapes may have lost out in terms of the money he has lent the club, but lets not forget that he certainly profited by selling his shares to the newer Directors.

I suspect the latter gain far outweighs the loss.

4th in the Championship, playing great football with great players like Norris, Halmosi, SEB, Hayles and fantastic cameos from a succession of GOOD premiership loanees (not the kids and rejects we get now).

Remember that night at Charlton, that same old feeling we had in league 1 away at Wednesday, that feeling of "hang on, we've got something here, f*cking hell, we can do this" .

What was the fanbase' reaction to the 3rd stage of awakening for the sleeping giant?, the push to the premiership?.

.................gates continued to drop .

THAT was your chance for success Grovehill, we were provided with a great product that was winning matches, and we stayed away in ever increasing droves.

Plymouth gets what Plymouth deserves and that's yet another uncomfortable and inconvenient truth you'll all have to swallow before we can move forwards again.

No, what happened was that we sold all our best players a few months later.

MY VERY POINT!. There was a point in time when we were going for it in our own little way, the ball was put firmly in the supporters court but they couldn't be arsed to rise to the challenge and return it.

Would that have happened though if the fanbase had matched the push with a bit of, erm, support?. Things might well have been very different.

As it was the board were left with their 'dick in the wind', the longer it went on without the fans coming back, enthused and appreciative of the fact we'd NEVER had it so good, the worse the situation would have been.

If they hadn't applied the brakes then, with all the knock-on chaos that's now followed and they'd thrown more good money after bad then can you just IMAGINE where we'd be now. We'd be the Bradford Park Avenue of the south

As I've said elsewhere Stapes & Co never "went for it" instead offering financial stability.

We got neither-the club is paying the cost of success it never had.

Stapes may have lost out in terms of the money he has lent the club, but lets not forget that he certainly profited by selling his shares to the newer Directors.

I suspect the latter gain far outweighs the loss.

4th in the Championship, playing great football with great players like Norris, Halmosi, SEB, Hayles and fantastic cameos from a succession of GOOD premiership loanees (not the kids and rejects we get now).

Remember that night at Charlton, that same old feeling we had in league 1 away at Wednesday, that feeling of "hang on, we've got something here, f*cking hell, we can do this" :D.

What was the fanbase' reaction to the 3rd stage of awakening for the sleeping giant?, the push to the premiership?.

.................gates continued to drop :evil:.

THAT was your chance for success Grovehill, we were provided with a great product that was winning matches, and we stayed away in ever increasing droves.

Plymouth gets what Plymouth deserves and that's yet another uncomfortable and inconvenient truth you'll all have to swallow before we can move forwards again.

But we were 4th in the Championship having just lost the guy who put us there and all the belief that he brought with ever more stark warnings over the implosion in the squad and the arrival of a manager that that had never been successful above League 1. Exciting yes but not for the right reasons. When post Christmas attendances are driven by league position as Peter Jones points out this was as a massive marketing disaster.

And BTW only Argyle can 'go for it' by bringing in a centre half - especially when we already had three perfectly good ones. And I completely reject the notion that we could not have convinced SEB and Norris to stay for 6 more months if we demonstrated a proper ambition to make the play offs that season.

How anybody can lay claim that anybody who has belonged to an Argyle board since Nic Warren left is worthy of staying and trying to take us forward is quite frankly beyond me.

#sameoldargo

As I've said elsewhere Stapes & Co never "went for it" instead offering financial stability.

We got neither-the club is paying the cost of success it never had.

Stapes may have lost out in terms of the money he has lent the club, but lets not forget that he certainly profited by selling his shares to the newer Directors.

I suspect the latter gain far outweighs the loss.

4th in the Championship, playing great football with great players like Norris, Halmosi, SEB, Hayles and fantastic cameos from a succession of GOOD premiership loanees (not the kids and rejects we get now).

Remember that night at Charlton, that same old feeling we had in league 1 away at Wednesday, that feeling of "hang on, we've got something here, f*cking hell, we can do this" .

What was the fanbase' reaction to the 3rd stage of awakening for the sleeping giant?, the push to the premiership?.

.................gates continued to drop .

THAT was your chance for success Grovehill, we were provided with a great product that was winning matches, and we stayed away in ever increasing droves.

Plymouth gets what Plymouth deserves and that's yet another uncomfortable and inconvenient truth you'll all have to swallow before we can move forwards again.

No, what happened was that we sold all our best players a few months later.

MY VERY POINT!. There was a point in time when we were going for it in our own little way, the ball was put firmly in the supporters court but they couldn't be arsed to rise to the challenge and return it.

Would that have happened though if the fanbase had matched the push with a bit of, erm, support?. Things might well have been very different.

As it was the board were left with their 'dick in the wind', the longer it went on without the fans coming back, enthused and appreciative of the fact we'd NEVER had it so good, the worse the situation would have been.

If they hadn't applied the brakes then, with all the knock-on chaos that's now followed and they'd thrown more good money after bad then can you just IMAGINE where we'd be now. [size=18]We'd be the Bradford Park Avenue of the south

[/size]

We may still be the Bradford Park Avenue of the South! Unless a takeover by an Abramovich clone is announced tomorrow,(we all thought the New World Order was the answer to our prayers) any light is still going to be at the end of a very long tunnel!!!

For me the big test is tomorrow.

Admin followed by a takeover from a new board means that Stapes has done the right thing and walked away for the best of the club.

A pre pack admin followed by Stapes remaining in control means he is only in it for himself.

I will be interested to hear how the pro Stapes lobby defend him if the latter comes to pass.

With regards to the assumption that the club is going to enter admin. tomorrow...

Since the end of January, this is about the third or fourth time some very well connected fans have posted on here and/or have told the media that the 'A' word is about to become reality on a given day. Well, it hasn't happened yet, and I'm not certain it's going to happen tomorrow.

As I've said elsewhere Stapes & Co never "went for it" instead offering financial stability.

We got neither-the club is paying the cost of success it never had.

Stapes may have lost out in terms of the money he has lent the club, but lets not forget that he certainly profited by selling his shares to the newer Directors.

I suspect the latter gain far outweighs the loss.

4th in the Championship, playing great football with great players like Norris, Halmosi, SEB, Hayles and fantastic cameos from a succession of GOOD premiership loanees (not the kids and rejects we get now).

Remember that night at Charlton, that same old feeling we had in league 1 away at Wednesday, that feeling of "hang on, we've got something here, f*cking hell, we can do this" .

What was the fanbase' reaction to the 3rd stage of awakening for the sleeping giant?, the push to the premiership?.

.................gates continued to drop .

THAT was your chance for success Grovehill, we were provided with a great product that was winning matches, and we stayed away in ever increasing droves.

Plymouth gets what Plymouth deserves and that's yet another uncomfortable and inconvenient truth you'll all have to swallow before we can move forwards again.

But we were 4th in the Championship having just lost the guy who put us there and all the belief that he brought with ever more stark warnings over the implosion in the squad and the arrival of a manager that that had never been successful above League 1. Exciting yes but not for the right reasons. When post Christmas attendances are driven by league position as Peter Jones points out this was as a massive marketing disaster.

And BTW only Argyle can 'go for it' by bringing in a centre half - especially when we already had three perfectly good ones. And I completely reject the notion that we could not have convinced SEB and Norris to stay for 6 more months if we demonstrated a proper ambition to make the play offs that season.

How anybody can lay claim that anybody who has belonged to an Argyle board since Nic Warren left is worthy of staying and trying to take us forward is quite frankly beyond me.

#sameoldargo

You beat me to it. This is the same old argument trotted out over and over again - 4th in the Championship and no one came! It takes more than a few weeks to pull the crowds back into Home Park and if they are promised by the board that if we are there or there abouts by New Year then they will take a punt and they DON'T then surprise surprise cries of 'same ol Argo' ring out.

Just another argument used to beat the long suffering fans with! Of course its all our fault!

For me the big test is tomorrow.

Admin followed by a takeover from a new board means that Stapes has done the right thing and walked away for the best of the club.

A pre pack admin followed by Stapes remaining in control means he is only in it for himself.

I will be interested to hear how the pro Stapes lobby defend him if the latter comes to pass.

With regards to the assumption that the club is going to enter admin. tomorrow...

Since the end of January, this is about the third or fourth time some very well connected fans have posted on here and/or have told the media that the 'A' word is about to become reality on a given day. Well, it hasn't happened yet, and I'm not certain it's going to happen tomorrow.

I'm with you on this one Rupert, We are probably closer to a takeover with a root & branch "Management" clear out than admin surely

For me the big test is tomorrow.

Admin followed by a takeover from a new board means that Stapes has done the right thing and walked away for the best of the club.

A pre pack admin followed by Stapes remaining in control means he is only in it for himself.

I will be interested to hear how the pro Stapes lobby defend him if the latter comes to pass.

With regards to the assumption that the club is going to enter admin. tomorrow...

Since the end of January, this is about the third or fourth time some very well connected fans have posted on here and/or have told the media that the 'A' word is about to become reality on a given day. Well, it hasn't happened yet, and I'm not certain it's going to happen tomorrow.

Thanks Rupert. Just as my shredded nerves were steadying themselves for the inevitable sheer drop into the black pit of despair, you've now re-routed them into the hairpin bend of uncertainty and have them hurtling towards the corkscrew of hoping against unbelievable hope.

I'll take a £10.00 bet with you Rupert.

Loser pays into the Trust.

Up for it?