
who said maths was difficult

oddball wrote: who said maths was difficult
Chris Dennis wrote:
How do you stop a player leaving if he wants to go? Man U and Liverpool haven't managed it so why should we?
Replacing like for like was the big problem for us as CCC wages had spiralled to ridiculous levels which we couldn't afford along with a lot of other clubs at the same level. We were paying players way under what they could get elsewhere.
To replace those players with the same quality we would have had to pay out transfer fees of 1M+ and pay them 10k+ a week. We were punching way above our weight to the credit of the managers that had brought those players in but it came to an end when those players left.
Rupert wrote:Chris Dennis wrote:
How do you stop a player leaving if he wants to go? Man U and Liverpool haven't managed it so why should we?
Replacing like for like was the big problem for us as CCC wages had spiralled to ridiculous levels which we couldn't afford along with a lot of other clubs at the same level. We were paying players way under what they could get elsewhere.
To replace those players with the same quality we would have had to pay out transfer fees of 1M+ and pay them 10k+ a week. We were punching way above our weight to the credit of the managers that had brought those players in but it came to an end when those players left.
Correct. And the claim that SEB was the only 'unavoidable' sale back then is wrong, in my view. Norris, for instance, was desperate to go to Ipswich and threatened never to play for Argyle again in the closing days of his transfer saga (as Stapes made public in his pre-Leicester game bombshells). How could Argyle have kept him - without paying a wage that would have been way beyond reach?
And trying to keep Gosling would have been daft, as well.
graiser wrote: Why was Norris keen to go to Ipswich? Because he was keen to go to a club "with ambitions that matched my own" as he stated at his first press conference at Ipswich.
Rupert wrote:graiser wrote: Why was Norris keen to go to Ipswich? Because he was keen to go to a club "with ambitions that matched my own" as he stated at his first press conference at Ipswich.
In such press conferences, "ambition" invariably means wages on offer. I refer you back to my previous post. It would have been madness for Argyle to try to match Ipswich's wage offer.
And as for Gosling, when a lad of his age is offered a move to a big Premier League club, how can a club of Argyle's size say no? There was no guarantee that such a move would have been on the table in the summer. Argyle could perhaps have pressed harder for a loan-back that season, but that was hardly a priority. He was not a first-team regular for Argyle.
Rupert wrote:Chris Dennis wrote:
How do you stop a player leaving if he wants to go? Man U and Liverpool haven't managed it so why should we?
Replacing like for like was the big problem for us as CCC wages had spiralled to ridiculous levels which we couldn't afford along with a lot of other clubs at the same level. We were paying players way under what they could get elsewhere.
To replace those players with the same quality we would have had to pay out transfer fees of 1M+ and pay them 10k+ a week. We were punching way above our weight to the credit of the managers that had brought those players in but it came to an end when those players left.
Correct. And the claim by Greenskin that SEB was the only 'unavoidable' sale back then is wrong, in my view. Norris, for instance, was desperate to go to Ipswich and threatened never to play for Argyle again in the closing days of his transfer saga (as Stapes made public in his pre-Leicester game bombshells). How could Argyle have kept him - without paying a wage that would have been way beyond reach?
And trying to keep Gosling would have been daft, as well. The Buzsaky deal was less clear-cut, but the club was not in a strong position to turn down half a million for a player who would have gone for nothing in the summer.
As for X Isle's post, his analysis of supporter expectations at that time is correct. But I don't think it's right for anybody to claim that those expectations were to blame for what went wrong. It's the job of a board of directors to resist unrealistic expectations, to be strong and to pay out only what a business can afford to pay out in fees and wages. In that respect, the board has failed - and it was starting to fail before Kagami turned up, let alone Todd and Gardner.
Manchester Green's post at the top of the previous page is spot on, as well, I think.
Pafcintheplace wrote:
Entirely agree with this. It is the job of the Directors (including PS) to ensure the business does not lose control of expenditure. They failed, and cannot hide from this.
With this in mind, a clean sweep is needed, as I do not believe the fanbase could be united behind a new board containing any remnant of the current regime.
Pafcintheplace wrote:Rupert wrote:Chris Dennis wrote:
How do you stop a player leaving if he wants to go? Man U and Liverpool haven't managed it so why should we?
Replacing like for like was the big problem for us as CCC wages had spiralled to ridiculous levels which we couldn't afford along with a lot of other clubs at the same level. We were paying players way under what they could get elsewhere.
To replace those players with the same quality we would have had to pay out transfer fees of 1M+ and pay them 10k+ a week. We were punching way above our weight to the credit of the managers that had brought those players in but it came to an end when those players left.
Correct. And the claim by Greenskin that SEB was the only 'unavoidable' sale back then is wrong, in my view. Norris, for instance, was desperate to go to Ipswich and threatened never to play for Argyle again in the closing days of his transfer saga (as Stapes made public in his pre-Leicester game bombshells). How could Argyle have kept him - without paying a wage that would have been way beyond reach?
And trying to keep Gosling would have been daft, as well. The Buzsaky deal was less clear-cut, but the club was not in a strong position to turn down half a million for a player who would have gone for nothing in the summer.
As for X Isle's post, his analysis of supporter expectations at that time is correct. But I don't think it's right for anybody to claim that those expectations were to blame for what went wrong. It's the job of a board of directors to resist unrealistic expectations, to be strong and to pay out only what a business can afford to pay out in fees and wages. In that respect, the board has failed - and it was starting to fail before Kagami turned up, let alone Todd and Gardner.
Manchester Green's post at the top of the previous page is spot on, as well, I think.
Entirely agree with this. It is the job of the Directors (including PS) to ensure the business does not lose control of expenditure. They failed, and cannot hide from this.
With this in mind, a clean sweep is needed, as I do not believe the fanbase could be united behind a new board containing any remnant of the current regime.
northcountryboy wrote:Pafcintheplace wrote:Rupert wrote:Chris Dennis wrote:
How do you stop a player leaving if he wants to go? Man U and Liverpool haven't managed it so why should we?
Replacing like for like was the big problem for us as CCC wages had spiralled to ridiculous levels which we couldn't afford along with a lot of other clubs at the same level. We were paying players way under what they could get elsewhere.
To replace those players with the same quality we would have had to pay out transfer fees of 1M+ and pay them 10k+ a week. We were punching way above our weight to the credit of the managers that had brought those players in but it came to an end when those players left.
Correct. And the claim by Greenskin that SEB was the only 'unavoidable' sale back then is wrong, in my view. Norris, for instance, was desperate to go to Ipswich and threatened never to play for Argyle again in the closing days of his transfer saga (as Stapes made public in his pre-Leicester game bombshells). How could Argyle have kept him - without paying a wage that would have been way beyond reach?
And trying to keep Gosling would have been daft, as well. The Buzsaky deal was less clear-cut, but the club was not in a strong position to turn down half a million for a player who would have gone for nothing in the summer.
As for X Isle's post, his analysis of supporter expectations at that time is correct. But I don't think it's right for anybody to claim that those expectations were to blame for what went wrong. It's the job of a board of directors to resist unrealistic expectations, to be strong and to pay out only what a business can afford to pay out in fees and wages. In that respect, the board has failed - and it was starting to fail before Kagami turned up, let alone Todd and Gardner.
Manchester Green's post at the top of the previous page is spot on, as well, I think.
Entirely agree with this. It is the job of the Directors (including PS) to ensure the business does not lose control of expenditure. They failed, and cannot hide from this.
With this in mind, a clean sweep is needed, as I do not believe the fanbase could be united behind a new board containing any remnant of the current regime.
Maybe you need to check the poll on this issue. It reads otherwise.
Let's kick start 'Operation Valkerie' if Paul Stapleton is kept on the board.
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