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Posted: 23:49 20 Feb 2011
by pilgrim_pete
Justin wrote:
Chris Dennis wrote:
How do you stop a player leaving if he wants to go? Man U and Liverpool haven't managed it so why should we?

Replacing like for like was the big problem for us as CCC wages had spiralled to ridiculous levels which we couldn't afford along with a lot of other clubs at the same level. We were paying players way under what they could get elsewhere.

To replace those players with the same quality we would have had to pay out transfer fees of 1M+ and pay them 10k+ a week. We were punching way above our weight to the credit of the managers that had brought those players in but it came to an end when those players left.


Ask a certain Ian Holloway...

Regarding Charlie Adam.


You mean the Charlie Adam Blackpool accepted a bid and were agreeing terms for with Tottenham?

Posted: 23:52 20 Feb 2011
by tonycholwell
Bermudian Green wrote:
tonycholwell wrote:
Bermudian Green wrote: Still, at least we're all pulling in the same direction now. Right?


Which direction is that BG? :)

As far as I can see some people will continue to go whoever is in charge.

Some will only go if all of the current Board are gone

And theres probably another lot who wont go cause "its cr*p in the 4th division.

And at the begining of this season I worried about car parking :lol:


Sarcasm Tony, sarcasm.

What a mess our football club is in. The only way out is for a clean start. We won't get that if amy of the current lot remain. If they do, then there will be no trust from the supporters, traders, sponsors etc.

That is why they all have to go. No excuses, no bargaining, no apportioning of blame, no nothing. Everyone goes, start again.


I agree with you totally in principle Jerry, just its not how it appears to be sizing up.

The dilema then is do you keep following Argyle at matches, perhaps away games if you dont want to give those you dislike your money. Or do you go to all the games you would have, home and away. Or do you boycott 100%.

Whilst appreciating this whole situation is fractious to say the least, fans not turning up at HP will keep us in ruin.

I have to be honest, I will probably continue to support the team home and away as I do now as I can, I know other good people who will not set foot again in HP, particularly if Stapes is involved.

I can't see the sores healed quickly.

And thats all before the "new investors " are announced, for sure they will be scrutinised like no one before them.

Now, I have to ask, is that Canadian girl still upsetting your Swedish girlfriend? :lol:

Posted: 00:10 21 Feb 2011
by Justin
pilgrim_pete wrote:
Justin wrote:
Chris Dennis wrote:
How do you stop a player leaving if he wants to go? Man U and Liverpool haven't managed it so why should we?

Replacing like for like was the big problem for us as CCC wages had spiralled to ridiculous levels which we couldn't afford along with a lot of other clubs at the same level. We were paying players way under what they could get elsewhere.

To replace those players with the same quality we would have had to pay out transfer fees of 1M+ and pay them 10k+ a week. We were punching way above our weight to the credit of the managers that had brought those players in but it came to an end when those players left.


Ask a certain Ian Holloway...

Regarding Charlie Adam.


You mean the Charlie Adam Blackpool accepted a bid and were agreeing terms for with Tottenham?


Yeah the same.

They were so busy 'accepting a bid' that they failed to notice the deadline pass.

Which makes sense considering Holloway made it clear Adam wouldn't move until the summer, regardless of what the player himself wanted.

That's the same Holloway who dished out the same tired 'how do you keep a player who wants to leave' rubbish so many times at Argyle.

Posted: 08:50 21 Feb 2011
by RWW
Don't forget that Holloway told Norris in the summer before that he would be able to leave in the January transfer window - he probably just hoped that he didn't want to.

Don't tell me that he has told Adam that he can leave in the summer transfer windon :lol:

Posted: 08:53 21 Feb 2011
by MarkinMelbourne
Rupert wrote: It's the job of a board of directors to resist unrealistic expectations, to be strong and to pay out only what a business can afford to pay out in fees and wages. In that respect, the board has failed - and it was starting to fail before Kagami turned up, let alone Todd and Gardner.


When do you think it started to go wrong, Rupert?

I'd pick the reappointment of Sturrock and the panic signings that followed. Or had the seeds begun to be sown under Hollowords?

Posted: 08:57 21 Feb 2011
by RWW
I don't thin the re-appointment of Sturrock was necessarily a bad decision.

Financial problems were already on the horizon and the selling of Norris, Akos, Halmosi, Goslng, SEB etc is basically the core of a top 10 Championship team.

I think we gambled on some signings with regards to injuries and lost.

I often wonder how a team with Mpenza and BWP up front would have got on in the Championship. Add to this that Gibson, from Man Utd, was almost signed on loan and you start to get the core of a good team.

But, Gibson didn't come, Mpenza and BWP got injured and the rest is history.

Posted: 09:03 21 Feb 2011
by Tim Chown
RWW wrote:
I often wonder how a team with Mpenza and BWP up front would have got on in the Championship.


Would have been interesting I agree. Though I think Mpenza left before BWP arrived - I guess BWP was signed to replace Emile as the 'name' striker.

Posted: 09:11 21 Feb 2011
by bandwagon
RWW wrote: I don't thin the re-appointment of Sturrock was necessarily a bad decision.

Financial problems were already on the horizon and the selling of Norris, Akos, Halmosi, Goslng, SEB etc is basically the core of a top 10 Championship team.

I think we gambled on some signings with regards to injuries and lost.

I often wonder how a team with Mpenza and BWP up front would have got on in the Championship. Add to this that Gibson, from Man Utd, was almost signed on loan and you start to get the core of a good team.

But, Gibson didn't come, Mpenza and BWP got injured and the rest is history.


You can add at least 2 seasons to that - the club was not been viable since the end of the first CCC season, when we had the biggest crowds for 30 odd years (novelty) and the majority of players still on 3rd tier wages!! Didn't need an accountant to tell us that!! :( :(

Posted: 09:18 21 Feb 2011
by Quintrell_Green
RWW wrote: I don't thin the re-appointment of Sturrock was necessarily a bad decision.

Financial problems were already on the horizon and the selling of Norris, Akos, Halmosi, Goslng, SEB etc is basically the core of a top 10 Championship team.

I think we gambled on some signings with regards to injuries and lost.

I often wonder how a team with Mpenza and BWP up front would have got on in the Championship. Add to this that Gibson, from Man Utd, was almost signed on loan and you start to get the core of a good team.

But, Gibson didn't come, Mpenza and BWP got injured and the rest is history.


Yes, there is a lot of ill luck to look back on, sadly, and it just goes to show how important timing is, when Lady Luck, deserts you. On the other side of the coin, Mpenza's wages would always have been a major overhead to cover and I do doubt as to how long the Club could have kept up the payments with gate attendances continuing to be flat. It would indeed be hard going paying BWP and Mpenza simultaneously.

Posted: 10:33 21 Feb 2011
by grovehill
You keep your best players (and coaches and Managers) by creating a situation that they are happy with and wish to remain part of.

In Holloway's first season, Argyle reached a Cup quarter final and finished the League with a run of 5 straight wins.

What happened in the close season? We failed to make permanent the loan signings of Gallen & Sinclair, dawddled over signing Halmosi and rejected overtures from potential investors-all this twelve months after the previous manager had left for a more ambitious club!

Having failed to sign a QPR reject on a freebie, it's no wonder the players came back for pre-season training believing Argyle were lacking ambition.

Probably if one tenth of the money that has been wasted since then had been spent, it would have been enough to convince players & fans that Argyle were serious in their ambitions.

Posted: 11:01 22 Feb 2011
by Rupert
Rupert wrote:
Chancellor wrote:
Rupert wrote:
IJN wrote: I'll take a £10.00 bet with you Rupert.

Loser pays into the Trust.

Up for it? :)


No bets, but I have seen what's in the Herald and the WMN on Monday...


Have you got tomorrows racing results as well please?


WMN top tip: Captain Cool, Wolverhampton, 3pm.


Captain Cool won that race, by the way.

Posted: 11:02 22 Feb 2011
by Rupert
Peter_Jones wrote:
Rupert wrote:
IJN wrote: I'll take a £10.00 bet with you Rupert.

Loser pays into the Trust.

Up for it? :)


No bets, but I have seen what's in the Herald and the WMN on Monday...


Well Rupert, you have to admit that the Herald has hardly been infallible in its coverage to date. The policy seems to be to regurgitate whatever gets whispered in their ear...

The WMN is entirely different, of course...


No, it isn't. It carries the same Argyle news stories as the Herald, as you know.

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