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A chronicle of 2011-2012 using classic, popular and important threads from Pasoti. Court winding-up petitions, administration, Preferred Bidder, Fundraising, Chris Webb, Q&A with James Brent - it's all here.
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by cheshiregreen
» 17:22 04 Mar 2011
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blenks wrote: Really interesting day in Court. HMRC tried to pull a fast one by asking a registrar to grant them 'Without Notice' winding-up petition against the club. Registrar had to refer it to a Judge. All part of their fight against the football creditors rule and the Judge saw through it.

Argyle's barrister was only briefed at 9 am this morning and had no idea what to expect when he arrived at Court and the Directors had no idea this morning what application was being made by whom and for what.

The barrister was telephoned by the club at 1.00pm to be told the Directors had unanimously voted to place the club into admin. At which point he became an unsecured creditor. :lol:

HMRC were effectively dancing on the head of a pin today.


That's the bit I don't get. Surely there is some kind of process around this.

How can you not know you're going to court? :?

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by pilgrim_pete
» 17:23 04 Mar 2011


Thanks for the updates Celia..

A new dawn? Yes. But we aren't out of the woods yet, by any means.
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by TinTin
» 17:27 04 Mar 2011


pilgrim_pete wrote: Thanks for the updates Celia..

A new dawn? Yes. But we aren't out of the woods yet, by any means.


PP - I feel you may be soooooooooooooooo right :( :cry:

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by blenks
» 17:35 04 Mar 2011


cheshiregreen wrote:
blenks wrote: Really interesting day in Court. HMRC tried to pull a fast one by asking a registrar to grant them 'Without Notice' winding-up petition against the club. Registrar had to refer it to a Judge. All part of their fight against the football creditors rule and the Judge saw through it.

Argyle's barrister was only briefed at 9 am this morning and had no idea what to expect when he arrived at Court and the Directors had no idea this morning what application was being made by whom and for what.

The barrister was telephoned by the club at 1.00pm to be told the Directors had unanimously voted to place the club into admin. At which point he became an unsecured creditor. :lol:

HMRC were effectively dancing on the head of a pin today.


That's the bit I don't get. Surely there is some kind of process around this.

How can you not know you're going to court? :?


There is, as was argued by HMRC QC, precedent for this - a closed 'Without Notice' hearing - it can happen. The Judge, on learning of the club being placed in admin offered to adjourn the hearing pending the appointed administrator being invited to give evidence - HMRC knew they were losing and essentially gave up.

Argyle's barrister argued that HMRC should have given notice because had HMRC been successful in their application whilst the Directors had simultaneously appointed an administrator there would have been a huge legal minefield created. The Judge agreed.

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by Chris Dennis
» 17:39 04 Mar 2011


KeithB wrote:
PL2 3DQ wrote: Plymouth Argyle Football Club Limited are in court tomorrow at 10.30am.
It's at the Royal Courts of Justice in London in front of Registrar Barnett.
A full hour has been allocated rather than the usual few minutes.

It was thought that any hearing would take place at Leeds County court on Monday.
Also, there isn't a "Plymouth Argyle Football Club Limited", perhaps the wording is just incorrect?

Is this the big one? :cry:


Well done for spotting this in the first place :nworthy:

.... or were they hoping nobody would find out?


According to the Guardian HERE it was believed to be one of our ex leaders that brought today's court action in the first place in an attempt to block administration.
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by blenks
» 17:41 04 Mar 2011


Chris Dennis wrote:
KeithB wrote:
PL2 3DQ wrote: Plymouth Argyle Football Club Limited are in court tomorrow at 10.30am.
It's at the Royal Courts of Justice in London in front of Registrar Barnett.
A full hour has been allocated rather than the usual few minutes.

It was thought that any hearing would take place at Leeds County court on Monday.
Also, there isn't a "Plymouth Argyle Football Club Limited", perhaps the wording is just incorrect?

Is this the big one? :cry:


Well done for spotting this in the first place :nworthy:

.... or were they hoping nobody would find out?


According to the Guardian HERE it was believed to be one of our ex leaders that brought today's court action in the first place in an attempt to block administration.


Absolutely not the case - we were all speculating the same but it just isn't true.

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by Ottawa Green
» 17:41 04 Mar 2011
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Blenks gave an excellent interview to ITV Westcountry pushing the potential for the Trust and the Council's part in Argyle's future.


Sounds like someone we might be hearing a lot more of, I wonder who they are. :? :wink:

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by PL2 3DQ
» 17:43 04 Mar 2011
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So, did the actions of HMRC today force the Director's to go into voluntary administration? If there was no court case today would the Director's have carried on with their plan to seek a 10-day extension in the Leeds court on Monday?
I guess we'll never know.

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by Lesley Somerville
» 17:45 04 Mar 2011


I have learnt more than I thought I needed to know today about legal proceedings. Those barristers have to be quick on their feet. Good day for the club but still a shame so many small businesses have been stuffed. But if we rise again and trade ethically hopefully they will get some business in the future.

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by blenks
» 17:49 04 Mar 2011


PL2 3DQ wrote: So, did the actions of HMRC today force the Director's to go into voluntary administration? If there was no court case today would the Director's have carried on with their plan to seek a 10-day extension in the Leeds court on Monday?
I guess we'll never know.


Actually HMRC wanted the club to go into administration voluntarily and not forced into it through the Courts - they argued that this would allow a winding-up petition to be valid. The petition would have been set aside otherwise.

The actions of HMRC could not have forced the Directors' hand today.

Argyle's barrister told us that if the Directors hadn't placed the club into admin today then Lombard would have. So really Lombard forced their hand - but it was inevitable.

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by Chris Dennis
» 17:57 04 Mar 2011


blenks wrote:
Chris Dennis wrote:
KeithB wrote:
PL2 3DQ wrote: Plymouth Argyle Football Club Limited are in court tomorrow at 10.30am.
It's at the Royal Courts of Justice in London in front of Registrar Barnett.
A full hour has been allocated rather than the usual few minutes.

It was thought that any hearing would take place at Leeds County court on Monday.
Also, there isn't a "Plymouth Argyle Football Club Limited", perhaps the wording is just incorrect?

Is this the big one? :cry:


Well done for spotting this in the first place :nworthy:

.... or were they hoping nobody would find out?


According to the Guardian HERE it was believed to be one of our ex leaders that brought today's court action in the first place in an attempt to block administration.


Absolutely not the case - we were all speculating the same but it just isn't true.


How do you know? Why would they print that if they hadn't very good reason to do so. Maybe it will come out later - I suspect we haven't heard the last of our ex Directors.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

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by blenks
» 18:05 04 Mar 2011


Chris Dennis wrote:
blenks wrote:
Chris Dennis wrote:
KeithB wrote:
PL2 3DQ wrote: Plymouth Argyle Football Club Limited are in court tomorrow at 10.30am.
It's at the Royal Courts of Justice in London in front of Registrar Barnett.
A full hour has been allocated rather than the usual few minutes.

It was thought that any hearing would take place at Leeds County court on Monday.
Also, there isn't a "Plymouth Argyle Football Club Limited", perhaps the wording is just incorrect?

Is this the big one? :cry:


Well done for spotting this in the first place :nworthy:

.... or were they hoping nobody would find out?


According to the Guardian HERE it was believed to be one of our ex leaders that brought today's court action in the first place in an attempt to block administration.


Absolutely not the case - we were all speculating the same but it just isn't true.


How do you know?
Why would they print that if they hadn't very good reason to do so. Maybe it will come out later - I suspect we haven't heard the last of our ex Directors.


Because I was in Court from 9.30 am this morning, was the first to speak with Argyle's barrister and HMRC lawyers - and together with Celia and a few others was party to the vaste majority of all the material conversations and discussions out of Court and in it. It was because we all turned up, with Matt Slater of the BBC and ITV reps that the Hearing was made open not closed.

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by sdenton
» 18:41 04 Mar 2011


blenks wrote: Because I was in Court from 9.30 am this morning, was the first to speak with Argyle's barrister and HMRC lawyers - and together with Celia and a few others was party to the vast majority of all the material conversations and discussions out of Court and in it. It was because we all turned up, with Matt Slater of the BBC and ITV reps that the Hearing was made open not closed.


We thank you for that.
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