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Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 01:38 11 Mar 2011
by woking_green
F*ck me I'm so worried we are gonna lose our club :cry:

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 08:16 11 Mar 2011
by jerryatricjanner
P.L.I.H wrote: The only problem I see with X Isle's post is the assumption that 300k would 'set us up well in a lower league'.

Look at Truro City, they have pumped alot more and had an existing infrastructure in place and they are still miles away from making any significant impact on a league placing.


Not quite. They have had 3 or 4 promotions to reach the level we would have to start at more or less. They started with a fan base of a 100 plus and even now after 5 years of success on the pitch average under 500. We would start with a fan base of 8,000 that admitttedly would drop dramatically but would I am sure be well into 4 figures still and with a winning team would quickly increase with promotions. I don't think the plan was ever for Truro to have a significant impact on a league placing, I think the height of their ambition was a conference team and at the end of this season they will have quite possibly reached conference south, just one league below their initial aim. If they get there they will never be able to maintain it without the continued support of a rich benefactor though.

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 08:32 11 Mar 2011
by esmer
Wonder what our crowds would be at that level. If we played at Home Park and were successful (as, hopefully, we would be) I think we would get around 3-4,000 maybe more.

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 08:40 11 Mar 2011
by jerryatricjanner
About right I think in the Zamaretto league, with a winning team in it's first season starting from scratch. God forbid it ever happens though.

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 09:29 11 Mar 2011
by X Isle
P.L.I.H wrote: The only problem I see with X Isle's post is the assumption that 300k would 'set us up well in a lower league'.

Look at Truro City, they have pumped alot more and had an existing infrastructure in place and they are still miles away from making any significant impact on a league placing.

I agree it seems we are chucking money into a black hole with the current situation, but football in general is now a black hole, and would any investment that Pasoti is able to make, make that big a difference?!


Although it's a side issue to administration I believe 'set us up' was probably the wrong phrase to use there PLIH.

What I meant was the initial set-up costs, re-registering, league fees, downpayments as insurance against being unable to fullfill fixtures, shirts, balls, meetings to arrange constitution, legal fees to draw up constitution and initial part time player costs etc etc.

What I didn't mean was bankroll AFC Argyle and 'set us up' for life, clearly that would be down to the good bergers of Plymouth through gate reciepts and merchandise.

My money I feel would be better stored up and saved for that eventuality than tossed down the bottomless pit that is the next/last few days of an unfunded, rudderless Argyle.

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 10:19 11 Mar 2011
by X Isle
Peter_dout wrote:
X Isle wrote: Weird innit, I thought i'd get spades of abuse for taking that stance :?.

I suppose my biggest fear is that the fighting fund hands over a modest by hard raised cheque to Guilfoyle on the 13th. Pennies from down the back of the sofa, food gone without for families, kiddies piggy banks raided and kidfs pocket money donated for their beloved Argyle............. and Keith Todd's consortium is announced as the preferred bidder on the 14th :evil:.

I've been slapped in the face by that bunch of w'anchors, and their ilk (who any other bid will be comprised of) to willingly submit myself to the mother of all slaps in the face like that. I couldn't face it.

Resurgam will not be achieved by pi$$ing in the wind :roll:.


Hi 'Smiffy'. :)

I'm still very much of the opinion that the money raised is going towards day to day running costs until we get a new buyer. Basic mundane things that are required for the club to function.

But leaving aside the functional need for cash, what it really does is show the new owners, the old owners, the first team, Peter Reid and the rest of the footballing nation, that Plymouth supporters are decent honest folk, who love their club and will do anything in their power to prevent it folding.

I'd hate for people to feel their efforts are a waste of time, go and tell that young lad who donated his pocket money he's "pi$$ing in the wind".


:) it's like phrasiology bingo innit :lol:

As you'll know i'm normally quite capable of forming an opinion on the turn of a card, i'm always right of course but I don't tend to dwell on things or give them much consideration first, shoot from the hip if you will.

This one though genuinely caused my conscience some problem but something you put in there is one of the reasons I came down on the side I did. You say it'd be showing all those people we are 'decent folk' who 'love our football club'..........I say that equally, and ESPECIALLY so to investors, it shows us as gullible and susceptible to emotional blackmail.

Indeed your words in themselves imply that anyone not throwing good money after bad is, in a direct way, less of a fan than those who do, itself pandering to emotional blackmail.

Giving money to basket case Argyle is pi$$ing in the wind at this time, I can't see a single way round that.

On monday lunchtime if no bidders come forward that money is gone forever, if bidders are forthcoming then the preferred bidder will pick up the bills - bills let's not forget that are astronomical, nothing we could ever hope to cover even for a week with simple donations. And imagine how soiled you'll feel if your hard won cash covers bills that Todd's incoming consortium would otherwise have paid.

Other myths slain - in the meantime players will not starve to death, they won't turn into three headed monsters if they drink tap water and not isotonic drinks, their skin will not fall off if they use previously washed towels, and i've still got a ball I used as a kid so the balls they used last week will, I assure you, still work. FFS man up and get on with it, it's only ONE week.

Keeping your money in your pockets this weekend is not being a bad fan, to anyone else wavering don't be fooled by that line. There will come a time soon when our money will either make a REAL difference to a fledgeling AFC Argyle. Or you can spend it in the shop of whichever latest property investor takes over at Home Park if that still motivates you. Or, and here's the truth of it, you can spend it on your family, who in the chastened times we're in may be in much greater need than your football club, which is presently on the floor simply because it was poorly, nay abysmally, run by people who should know better, NOT because you are a bad fan.

Argyle will live or die without our £10 here or £20 there this weekend. If it dies it'll be because as a business it fully deserves to. If it lives it'll be just another property investors play thing............like having a train set only you just know that as children these w'anchors concentrated on the scenery and the buildings, charged their friends to come and watch but never spent a penny on the actual trains :x.

Sometimes in life you have to stand up and say no, there's far more bravery in it that than charging lemming-like towards a bucket with your wallet open.

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 14:32 11 Mar 2011
by Ian Newell
I can't argue against any of the above, but it's not 'lemming like' on my part, or I suspect many others.

I'm in a position to chuck money in and I want to, as do quite a few others it seems.

Approx' £1850.00 has been chucked in and if that 'helps' the team to get another win, then fine, me and a few others will feel good about ourselves.

If everything went pop, I'm sure the same people will help out with AFC Argyle, it's as simple (in my opinion) as that.

I can understand the confusion in whether to put in or not, but please, don't have a go at us who have, I'm not a lemming, I'm not a follower, I'm a fan that wants to do everything possible to get this bleddy football team out of this mess.

Luckily, there are many others that feel the same way.

:mrgreen:

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 15:08 11 Mar 2011
by Balham_Green
Peter_dout wrote:
X Isle wrote: Weird innit, I thought i'd get spades of abuse for taking that stance :?.

I suppose my biggest fear is that the fighting fund hands over a modest by hard raised cheque to Guilfoyle on the 13th. Pennies from down the back of the sofa, food gone without for families, kiddies piggy banks raided and kidfs pocket money donated for their beloved Argyle............. and Keith Todd's consortium is announced as the preferred bidder on the 14th :evil:.

I've been slapped in the face by that bunch of w'anchors, and their ilk (who any other bid will be comprised of) to willingly submit myself to the mother of all slaps in the face like that. I couldn't face it.

Resurgam will not be achieved by pi$$ing in the wind :roll:.


Hi 'Smiffy'. :)

I'm still very much of the opinion that the money raised is going towards day to day running costs until we get a new buyer. Basic mundane things that are required for the club to function. But leaving aside the functional need for cash, what it really does is show the new owners, the old owners, the first team, Peter Reid and the rest of the footballing nation, that Plymouth supporters are decent honest folk, who love their club and will do anything in their power to prevent it folding.

I'd hate for people to feel their efforts are a waste of time, go and tell that young lad who donated his pocket money he's "pi$$ing in the wind".


Does that include the 4 * hotel?

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 15:21 11 Mar 2011
by Ian Newell
Is that the same 4* hotel that decent supporters are paying for?

Don't let facts get in the way eh? :roll:

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 15:40 11 Mar 2011
by Balham_Green
IJN wrote: Is that the same 4* hotel that decent supporters are paying for?

Don't let facts get in the way eh? :roll:


Fair enough. If we are in such dire straights still think the money could have been better used. I certainly never stay in a 4 * star hotel and my finances are nowhere near in as bad a state.

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 15:51 11 Mar 2011
by knecht
If the 4* hotel - for which they apparently got a very good deal - enables them to feel rested enough to win both matches up there then it may be money well spent.

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 15:56 11 Mar 2011
by Steamer
knecht wrote: If the 4* hotel - for which they apparently got a very good deal - enables them to feel rested enough to win both matches up there then it may be money well spent.

:iagree:

Re: Administrators set deadline

Posted: 16:52 11 Mar 2011
by X Isle
Steamer wrote:
knecht wrote: If the 4* hotel - for which they apparently got a very good deal - enables them to feel rested enough to win both matches up there then it may be money well spent.

:iagree:


'May' being the operative word. There are three things that have to happen for it to be money well spent.
a) we need to win/draw the game
AND
b) those points are the difference to us staying up
AND
c) we are still in existence to enjoy the benefit of staying up.
All that would be very nice, it'd be lovely to think it would all come to pass, it's several big 'IF's though.

Four star?, that is a joke isn't it?. I understand the benefit to not travelling on the same day, I don't understand quite how the same could not be achieved AND team bonding being increased by bunking at the nearest military training base for a massive fraction of the cost.

This interegnum should be about austerity not keeping players in the manner to which they have become accustomed and for which we are so heavily in debt in the first place.

Ian, re: your earlier post, I should have toned down the 'lemming' angle. Of course if people wish to donate that is entirely their right and they should do so free from things like that. Indeed it was that very suggestion in reverse that riled me, that people not donating were implied as being something they're not.

We're all supporters of the good ship Argyle, we just do so in our own ways, each and every one :huddle:.