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Re: Updated developments / Debts & Bids

Posted: 10:00 01 Apr 2011
by X Isle
P.L.I.H wrote:
X Isle wrote: They say it wouldn't be the same club but it bleddy well would. Same colours, same name, same ground, same logo (well hopefully the old one back!), same fans, same chants, same history, same traditions, same old Semper at 3pm on a Saturday


I think this is the crux of the argument. For me (And I appreciate everything Smiffy is saying) but it would never be the same, and I think there are many who feel the same.

As I mentioned in another thread, could you really expect a large number of the fanbase to travel (600 mile round trip for London based fans) to watch Southern League football? Even those who live in Cornwall, I think would be put off.

Plus, the running costs of Home Park would still prove a massive obstruction, for any newly formed club. Argyle struggle to pay them now with crowds of 8k

Maybe a time for a poll, on who would and would not go if Argyle were liquidated and a new club formed?


Thing is it wouldn't mean anything though, it's all if's and but's and the vast majority would vote no because, like me, they don't want the present chapter to end and are hoping for some kind of supportable entity to come out of the administration process. A massive majority voting no might suggest there would be little or no interest if we were liquidated, whereas it's the poll on the night the gates get locked and we GET liquidated that would be more representative...........when the if's and but's become oh sh1t's and oh f**k's :shock:.

Home Park has running costs obviously but it's the running costs of the squad that have crippled us. Without that, without policing costs (non-league football matches are not designated football matches) and with a benevolent PCC rent deferral agreement (they'd need Argyle in there too don't forget) it can be done.

Gates would drop, I don't deny that, some refusniks will dig their heels in and claim distinctions exist (distinctions I don't agree with at all but there you go) but if you've ever been to an AFC Wimbledon game you'd know just what a refreshing atmosphere and positive force exists when big support travels to little grounds. We'd wipe the floor with opposition once established so games become fun, become social events, beer able to be drunk in view of the pitch, fans able to mingle and allelluya, you can STAND. Exiles will become very much part of the picture because almost every away game will be a 'home' game (both in terms of distance AND the fact we'd take over the ground).

People just seem to find it easier to dismiss the concept than properly consider it. A poll won't help that as no-one is pushing for rebirth, no-one actually wants it to come to that. I just wish that people would stop drawing lines in the sand because if god forbid the end were to come that stubborn attitude will be no use whatsoever. Anyways this side issue is not on the table so shouldn't really be discussed on this thread, best leave it at that, just keep an open mind and stop looking for problems, anything can be overcome.

In Brent I trust :mrgreen:.

Re: Updated developments / Debts & Bids

Posted: 10:38 01 Apr 2011
by Richard Blight
SSN has just had a piece where they interviewed Rory Fallon about turning down B.Rovers. They also spoke to P.Reid about Fallon and Mason playing with injuries and spirit within the club. Also Mr.Ridsdale saying they think they have an investor who is willing to go through the CVA process over the next couple of months but also said if anybody else wants to buy the club to come forward because it was a great club,fan base etc.etc.

Re: Updated developments / Debts & Bids

Posted: 10:51 01 Apr 2011
by P.L.I.H
X Isle wrote:
In Brent I trust :mrgreen:.


Copying my response from another thread....That I can agree on

Re: Updated developments / Debts & Bids

Posted: 10:54 01 Apr 2011
by X Isle
P.L.I.H wrote:
X Isle wrote:
In Brent I trust :mrgreen:.


Copying my response from another thread....That I can agree on


Fairy snuff, and nicely getting this thread back on topic, we agree on that too :).

Re: Updated developments / Debts & Bids

Posted: 13:16 01 Apr 2011
by fishypilgrim
What do people want / expect and not want from any potential new owners .

Starting off with DO NOT WANTS .
1) Speculating in order to accumulate . None of the previous board members would have wanted us to be in this situation . They stood to make money from a successful Argyle . . Sadly they gambled and lost and to be honest there could be many more clubs who are or could be in the same situation as us . When strong leadership was needed to say NO there would appear to have been none around .
2) Fans clamouring for more spending whether it be on wages and / or fees . There were too many voices when we were in the championship who were playing the little old Argyle / no ambition card . See above reference strong leadership.
3) Ever to be in this situation AGAIN .

DON'T MINDS.

1) Property development of the upper car park which provides a profit to the developer .Particularly if the football club gets a tidied up stand / offices out of it .Its their money and their vision not the football club's .
2) Football in league's 1 or 2 . If we get an occassional tilt at life in the championship or a run in the F.A / Carling / JPT cups that will be a bonus .

DO WANTS .

1) Strong leadership - see above .
2) Common sense and organic growth . We do need to be sensible about numbers of players / staff and the wage levels which we can afford to pay . It's not any sort of visionary economics to understand or calculate what you think the lowest amount of money which is likely to be available as long as you don't kid yourselves that full houses are a guaranteed certainty . It will probably mean that more young players looking for an opportunity will feature and if they do well will subsequently be sold on . That's life .
3) Restoration of good will with the football club supply chain .
4) A plymouth Argyle to support next season .