Those that can do, those that can't stand back and criticise. Graham certainly did his bit in a most professional way. I know he won't be a stranger and look forward to hearing his views as we progress.
grovehill wrote:Ottawa Green wrote:Yep, I do believe that "our" trust has had a significantly faster growth than any other. Even the sheffield wednesday one only had something like 1400 members.Total Members 1051
Plymouth 438 (42%)
Devon 150 (14%)
Cornwall 124 (12%)
Rest of UK 318 (30%)
International 21 (2%)
Having a membership that equates to about 12% of the regular followers of the club hardly justifies the profile the Trust seems to give itself. Having a constitution that seems to allow new officers to be elected in a matter of hours certainly raises questions about accountability and democratic standards.
The Trust seems to have fallen into the trap that catches most ad hoc "people power" groups-internal strife and politics take up far more time than actually dealing with the issues the group was set up to deal with, while those seeking some form of self agrandisment (usually those with nothing better to do) appoint themselves (or coerce others into doing so) Chairman, Vice-Chairman, Secretary, Press Officer etc.etc.
One good man acting alone will achieve far more than any number of people forming a committee.
Surely, if the new owners want fans involved in the club they could chose a more representative grouping-season ticket holders for instance. Or even Pasoti.
Bodmin Tew wrote: @ Grovehill.
A genuine question - is anything in your life glass half-full?
To have 12% of a support base PAY to join an organisation is a great result. Imagine what we all could do in 10 years.
There is nothing to be gained by being a negative bystander. Don't be a drain, indeed why don't you step up and try and improve things.
pilgrim_pete wrote:Shadowknight wrote:GreenGuy wrote: One option might be for the Trust membership info and application form to be sent out with season ticket renewals..
Can't be 100% sure, but I think there is a reason they can't do this.
Data Protection Issues I think.
John_Lloyd wrote: .............If the club wants to assist the Trust in promoting it's aims and objectives, then it makes perfect sense for their message to be carried in this way.
PlymptonPilgrim wrote: Whilst the aims of the Trust were, and still are, laudible, I can't help thinking that it may have gone about some of it's business in the wrong way. I always found it odd that the Trust 'demanded' to be in the forefront of negotiations with any potential new owners, and was very quick to go public in its support for one particular bidder, before details were known of others.
I've always thought the Trust should be trying to work with whoever the new owners are, and not try to set the agenda and lead - which, to me, is what seems to have happened.
Perhaps Graham thought the same, I don't know. But it is unfortunate if 'politics' is the reason for his resignation.
grovehill wrote: Ten percent of the gate are in our gang so we are the legitimate voice of all supporters?
Some fans might not know about the Trust or not have internet access? Well, yeah, if they happen to be a hermit holed up in the middle of Bodmin Moor.
Time some people had a reality check.
If you struggle to get more than a thousand people behind you at the worst time in the Club's history, when you've had blanket coverage in all the local media, when you wander round Home Park on matchdays touting for members, well doesn't that sum it up? How many "active" members do you actually have? Less than half a dozen I suspect. How many of you did it take to decide that Brent was God, Bullivant the Devil, and Heaney not even worth thinking about. And what was you decision based on? A reasoned examination of their proposals, an in-depth investigation of their respective business plans, a review of their past financial performance in both sporting and leisure based ventures? Or did one of them buy a round of drinks at the Brit?
There are a number of supporters groups already allied to PAFC: various regional supporters clubs, VP Club, internet based supporters forums etc. what can the self styled Trust achieve that the others can't? You certainly can't do any worse that the Development Trust that managed to take the only serious sum of money ever raised by supporters and lose it all in the financial equivalent of pi$$ing on the fire that was Plymouth Argyle - "£10 million in debt? Lets chuck in another £300,000, that'll make all the difference!" You'd have been better off going to Ladbrooks and betting on the club avoiding relegation.
I've got lot of time for Milehouse Man, who was a rare type of poster on Pasoti, well informed, intelligent and subject to long bouts of realism. I think he will achieve more on his own than working with other, less able, people.
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