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Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 11:39 09 Jun 2011
by PL2 3DQ
mrrapson wrote: One thing to bear in mind when dragging up that article is the fact that there was a requirement of 2-3m to fund till the end of the season. The PB wasn't even announced until the last game therefore that figure is actuallly void anyway.

The exclusivity payments will fund the wages, when they come.

IMHO that report is completely out of context now.



You've missed the point. An exclusivity payment had been made and there's also the money from the Bolasie transfer, so where has that gone and why haven't the staff been paid in full?
The article was linked to highlight that exclusivity funding should be used for paying wages.

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 11:47 09 Jun 2011
by Ian Newell
Brenda is on £390 an hour and David Hinchliffe would be on something like £300 an hour.

Where do YOU think that money is going? :)

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 11:55 09 Jun 2011
by Leigh Rapson
PL2 3DQ wrote:
mrrapson wrote: One thing to bear in mind when dragging up that article is the fact that there was a requirement of 2-3m to fund till the end of the season. The PB wasn't even announced until the last game therefore that figure is actuallly void anyway.

The exclusivity payments will fund the wages, when they come.

IMHO that report is completely out of context now.



You've missed the point. An exclusivity payment had been made and there's also the money from the Bolasie transfer, so where has that gone and why haven't the staff been paid in full?
The article was linked to highlight that exclusivity funding should be used for paying wages.


No point missed mate.

I agree that there are a lot of questions that need to be answered. There are factors that need to be considered. The club are still paying bills during this period. As unpalatable as it is the administrator also needs paying. My guess is that the bolaise transfer is what has paid te staff wages. Don't forget that te milestone payment isn't due yet so they aren't in a position to promise this as wages.

Don't get me wrong, something isn't right but some of the reactions have been ridiculous. We need to take a deep breath, think about it and then look again. The abuse of the PB's is unwarranted, we know nothing about them to be able to abuse!

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 11:58 09 Jun 2011
by Leigh Rapson
David_Fisher wrote:
mrrapson wrote: One thing to bear in mind when dragging up that article is the fact that there was a requirement of 2-3m to fund till the end of the season. The PB wasn't even announced until the last game therefore that figure is actuallly void anyway.

The exclusivity payments will fund the wages, when they come.

IMHO that report is completely out of context now.


You're quite correct, but Brenda's comment does suggest that the exclusivity payment would fund (among other things) the staff wages during administration.

As Brenda will reportedly receive £800,000 between now and the end of June why is he asking the staff to forego wages for June?

Has the £800,000 been earmarked for some other purpose?

Or are we back to "the PB has / will run out of money" scenario?


Sorry David I missed your post.

The thing is, some of the money is evidently reaching te staff. Nowhere near enough but some of it is. Therefore I can't see that BG has done anything wrong.

I do t think we were ever at a "pb had no money scenario". That us something that was pure supposition, rumour and boredom.

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 12:10 09 Jun 2011
by Argyle1886
I really wouldn't be suprised if players start to walk out now as well as the rest of the staff...


It's been happening for 6 months now and half a year without a full wage? How can they cope? I would have been out of there as soon as I knew the second month I wouldn't have got my wages in full or my wages at all.


Removed by Site Admin after a complaint. Public warning, post anything like that again, and you'll be booted off. Passions are running high, but we all need to be mindful of what we can say.

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 12:53 09 Jun 2011
by esmer
bizzay1 wrote:
esmer wrote: Where is the money coming from to pay the staff??



The PB has (allegedly) paid for exclusivity, one of the pre requisits to get exclusivity was FUND THE CLUB whilst in administration - those staff ARE THE CLUB, and are NOT being funded

Obviously none of the bidders were prepared to fund the club to that level. What should Guilfoyle do, liquidate the club?

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 13:29 09 Jun 2011
by bizzay1
esmer wrote:
bizzay1 wrote:
esmer wrote: Where is the money coming from to pay the staff??



The PB has (allegedly) paid for exclusivity, one of the pre requisits to get exclusivity was FUND THE CLUB whilst in administration - those staff ARE THE CLUB, and are NOT being funded

Obviously none of the bidders were prepared to fund the club to that level. What should Guilfoyle do, liquidate the club?



NO but where is that money going that he has got, the non playing staff wages for a month (not the back pay) is the thin edge of what has to be paid and should be paid out of any money first - without those people there is no club to fund, is this not obvious - if they all have to give up the fight through lack of income what happens then

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 13:39 09 Jun 2011
by Ian Newell
mrrapson wrote: The abuse of the PB's is unwarranted, we know nothing about them to be able to abuse!


So, them touting for anyone in the South West with property development experience to get invovled (allegedly) is a good thing is it?

Let's all sit back, don't rock the boat and take what's coming like good old Janners eh?

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 13:41 09 Jun 2011
by Frank_Butcher
Perhaps a part of the problem is that all the goodwill around has set an unfortunate precedent. I salute the loyalty of staff signing deferrals and fundraising activities but it wouldn't be the first time I'd seen such magnanimity having a negative consequent effect.

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 13:58 09 Jun 2011
by bandwagon
IJN wrote:
mrrapson wrote: The abuse of the PB's is unwarranted, we know nothing about them to be able to abuse!


So, them touting for anyone in the South West with property development experience to get invovled (allegedly) is a good thing is it?

Let's all sit back, don't rock the boat and take what's coming like good old Janners eh?


Been doing it for last 43 years that I know of - why change the habit of a lifetime!! :( :( :( :( :(

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 14:09 09 Jun 2011
by David_Fisher
Not forgetting the £125,000 expected (or maybe already received) from QPR re Mackie.

So with the £800,000 from the PB and the £50,000 ish for Bolasie that means Brenda should have more-or-less £1,000,000 drop into his lap by the end of June.

Yet he can't afford to pay the staff their full wages for June?

Pull the other one!!!

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 14:20 09 Jun 2011
by Greenblooded1
mrrapson wrote:
David_Fisher wrote:
mrrapson wrote: One thing to bear in mind when dragging up that article is the fact that there was a requirement of 2-3m to fund till the end of the season. The PB wasn't even announced until the last game therefore that figure is actuallly void anyway.

The exclusivity payments will fund the wages, when they come.

IMHO that report is completely out of context now.


You're quite correct, but Brenda's comment does suggest that the exclusivity payment would fund (among other things) the staff wages during administration.

As Brenda will reportedly receive £800,000 between now and the end of June why is he asking the staff to forego wages for June?

Has the £800,000 been earmarked for some other purpose?

Or are we back to "the PB has / will run out of money" scenario?


Sorry David I missed your post.

The thing is, some of the money is evidently reaching te staff. Nowhere near enough but some of it is. Therefore I can't see that BG has done anything wrong.

I do t think we were ever at a "pb had no money scenario". That us something that was pure supposition, rumour and boredom.


You are a member of the PB and I claim my £10

Seriously mate, can't you smell coffee? Shouldn't the Trust be finding out then publishing the facts & holding people to account?

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

Posted: 14:37 09 Jun 2011
by Leigh Rapson
IJN wrote:
mrrapson wrote: The abuse of the PB's is unwarranted, we know nothing about them to be able to abuse!


So, them touting for anyone in the South West with property development experience to get invovled (allegedly) is a good thing is it?

Let's all sit back, don't rock the boat and take what's coming like good old Janners eh?



Not at all Ian, you know me better than that. I believe action is needed however I also feel that at the moment it is impossible for us to make an informed decision on where that focus should be laid. IMHO it should be at guilfoyles door. He holds the key.