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A chronicle of 2011-2012 using classic, popular and important threads from Pasoti. Court winding-up petitions, administration, Preferred Bidder, Fundraising, Chris Webb, Q&A with James Brent - it's all here.
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Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

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by cheshiregreen
» 06:58 09 Jun 2011
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Rupert wrote:
dunlop wrote: what are our limp wrist-ed media - especially rupert who gets free publicity on this site for the wmn - doing about it?


Sorry, but, as I've explained frequently, my job has changed and I no longer do any Argyle news reporting. Nor does any other WMN writer. The WMN uses the Herald's Argyle news stories and match reports. Which is why I now publicise the Herald's Argyle coverage as well as the WMN's. Because, most of the time, it is identical.

Back to the point of the thread, I just hope that Brenda still has a plan B if the preferred bidder does a runner. I don't blame him for choosing this particular preferred bidder - legally, I think he had to favour the option which had proven funds and which seemed to promise the best available deal to secured creditors - but a happy outcome does not seem likely in the near future.


This is more than just a sports story though isn't it?

It has elements of business, human interest and community contained within it as a minimum.

For instance, an interview with a unnamed member of the PAFC non-playing staff describing how financially tough things have been while they wait for the money games to end would bring the spotlight back on the club and the way its been run.

Somebody somewhere must make decisions on the coverage that is contained in the Herald/WMN pages and someone must make decisions on how much coverage a story gets. This "episode" started to receive a lot of media attention which has faded again when the club was bought. If I was responsible for the media role locally, I would want to cover this before the nationals run with it again. Surely, that is how the local media has to prove its worth in challenging times for the industry.

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

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by Laughter My Ploy
» 07:01 09 Jun 2011


Is there anyone on here who has the slightest inkling about who the PBs are? Can they let it out of the bag if they do

Did someone on here say they had contacted the Pbs representatives?....Postey maybe? Could we do the same?

I contacted the Plymouth MPs early in the process and all I got was bland platitudes...prob didn't help that I wasnt in their constituency. Time to press them to ask questions of the council or raise the matter in Parliament....other clubs MPS have

As for the council they seemed locked in petty party squabblings over the matter. Time to demand they act with one voice? Time to make feelings known at council meetings?

As for the problem of paying the staff how about the club designate the first preseason freindly a fundraising effort for the staff....would be an admission of failure....but they could had it over to the Trust/Green Tavenerners/Pasoti to organise....then lets see how much the people of Plymouth care

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

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by PL2 3DQ
» 07:42 09 Jun 2011
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Laughter My Ploy wrote: Is there anyone on here who has the slightest inkling about who the PBs are? Can they let it out of the bag if they do

Did someone on here say they had contacted the Pbs representatives?....Postey maybe? Could we do the same?

I contacted the Plymouth MPs early in the process and all I got was bland platitudes...prob didn't help that I wasnt in their constituency. Time to press them to ask questions of the council or raise the matter in Parliament....other clubs MPS have

As for the council they seemed locked in petty party squabblings over the matter. Time to demand they act with one voice? Time to make feelings known at council meetings?

As for the problem of paying the staff how about the club designate the first preseason freindly a fundraising effort for the staff....would be an admission of failure....but they could had it over to the Trust/Green Tavenerners/Pasoti to organise....then lets see how much the people of Plymouth care



I've contacted the representatives of the Preferred Bidder twice and had no response. I told them I/we understood their reasons to remain anonymous but they could at least issue a statement and speak to the fans and still keep their identity a secret.

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

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by esmer
» 07:43 09 Jun 2011


We are broke, we have very little money, we don't have a buyer, just a preferred bidder. Where is the money coming from to pay the staff?? We don't have any, or at least not enough.

It's been very tough for the staff and they all deserve our grateful thanks but the end (one way or another) is in sight and I am sure they can stand firm for a few more weeks, as they have done so admirably in the past.

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

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by bandwagon
» 08:03 09 Jun 2011


esmer wrote: We are broke, we have very little money, we don't have a buyer, just a preferred bidder. Where is the money coming from to pay the staff?? We don't have any, or at least not enough.

It's been very tough for the staff and they all deserve our grateful thanks but the end (one way or another) is in sight and I am sure they can stand firm for a few more weeks, as they have done so admirably in the past.


The staff have gone over & above for the club and deserve all the help but surely the reality is that in the very near future many will not be retain anyway - I think they were badly advised in the early stages with regards their employment rights and should have been more militant at the beginning. Sorry but the merchants involved at the top don't give a damn and I hope they are seeking other employment now!!
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Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

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by bizzay1
» 08:08 09 Jun 2011


esmer wrote: Where is the money coming from to pay the staff??



The PB has (allegedly) paid for exclusivity, one of the pre requisits to get exclusivity was FUND THE CLUB whilst in administration - those staff ARE THE CLUB, and are NOT being funded

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

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by PL2 3DQ
» 08:20 09 Jun 2011
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Funding by a Preferred Bidder is supposed to go towards paying the wages according to Guilfoyle - Link.

Guilfoyle was upbeat about Argyle’s prospects in an interview given prior to the Pilgrims’ 4-2 npower League One win at Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday, but he did sound one note of caution. He revealed that between £2 million and £3m was needed to fund the club for the rest of the season.

“The funding requirement is substantial,” he said. “You’re talking about something north of £2m and south of £3m to get to the end of the season. It’s wages, predominantly, and the state of the company’s cash reserves are just woeful. There is absolutely nothing there.”

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by bizzay1
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PL2 3DQ wrote: Funding by a Preferred Bidder is supposed to go towards paying the wages according to Guilfoyle - Link.

Guilfoyle was upbeat about Argyle’s prospects in an interview given prior to the Pilgrims’ 4-2 npower League One win at Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday, but he did sound one note of caution. He revealed that between £2 million and £3m was needed to fund the club for the rest of the season.

“The funding requirement is substantial,” he said. “You’re talking about something north of £2m and south of £3m to get to the end of the season. It’s wages, predominantly, and the state of the company’s cash reserves are just woeful. There is absolutely nothing there.”


Thanks for confirming what I have been banging on about posty, I was begining to think, after saying exactly that in one form or another, in 3 posts on this thread that I was either wrong or that I had dreamt it somewhere

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by oggyale
» 09:11 09 Jun 2011


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oggyale wrote: There is way too much hatred aimed at the PBs/PR and BG on here regarding this story,and this may easily lead PASOTI into a spot of bother.


Bollows, this site is made up of individuals, and each poster must be careful he/she doesn't say anything that might get himself/herself into trouble.

We are being stiffed, by people who think (and so far they are right) that we'll roll over and take their crap.

We've been shafted by the M7, now it seems, the people charged with picking over the carcase of PAFC are not giving us the answers we now need.





We are all entitled to our opinions/views,but some of the posts on this thread (and other threads for that matter) are bordering close to slander.

I hear talk of protests/action,but what is the point of that. If all the parties involved in the talks at present said - ''sod you lot,we are off'',then there will be no Argyle to follow & support any longer [as i really can't see the other two bothering to come in at such a late minute]..

PASOTI members are a minority of the Argyle fan base,but a majority of them live up the line (or elsewhere),so they can get to other League matches when & if they wish to do so.

For the majority of the Argyle fanbase that live in Plymouth,the loss of Argyle will be hugely devastating indeed. And with nothing to replace it,a void will appear. And i do not think they would follow & support an AFC Argyle.

It is common knowledge that there are many on here who would love to scupper the deal,and force out the parties involved. This fact is widely known to the many of the Argyle fan base who do not look at,nor have ever posted on PASOTI (they hear it from word of mouth).

How do you think they will feel if the club folded due to the actions and opinions of a majority of individuals from this site.

I do not think they will be dancing in the street to be honest.

My view is that we are,where we are. I believe that the fault is not at the feet of the parties who are at present trying to secure a future for Plymouth Argyle F.C,but rather at the feet of the previous Board.

If venom is needed to be spouted,it should be directed at the previous Board,and only them alone.
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Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

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by David_Fisher
» 11:15 09 Jun 2011


PL2 3DQ wrote: Funding by a Preferred Bidder is supposed to go towards paying the wages according to Guilfoyle - Link.

Guilfoyle was upbeat about Argyle’s prospects in an interview given prior to the Pilgrims’ 4-2 npower League One win at Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday, but he did sound one note of caution. He revealed that between £2 million and £3m was needed to fund the club for the rest of the season.

“The funding requirement is substantial,” he said. “You’re talking about something north of £2m and south of £3m to get to the end of the season. It’s wages, predominantly, and the state of the company’s cash reserves are just woeful. There is absolutely nothing there.”


Even more relevant is this bit from the same article:

"His aim is to identify a preferred bidder by March 17, and then offer them a period of exclusivity to complete a deal for the Pilgrims. In return, he would want funding provided to pay the wages of players and staff at Home Park."

So if the Irish are paying Brenda, then Brenda should be at least paying current wages.

Seems to me any "stick" should be directed at Brenda.

Re: Staff wage deferrals (Confirmed)

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by PL2 3DQ
» 11:18 09 Jun 2011
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David_Fisher wrote:
PL2 3DQ wrote: Funding by a Preferred Bidder is supposed to go towards paying the wages according to Guilfoyle - Link.

Guilfoyle was upbeat about Argyle’s prospects in an interview given prior to the Pilgrims’ 4-2 npower League One win at Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday, but he did sound one note of caution. He revealed that between £2 million and £3m was needed to fund the club for the rest of the season.

“The funding requirement is substantial,” he said. “You’re talking about something north of £2m and south of £3m to get to the end of the season. It’s wages, predominantly, and the state of the company’s cash reserves are just woeful. There is absolutely nothing there.”


Even more relevant is this bit from the same article:

"His aim is to identify a preferred bidder by March 17, and then offer them a period of exclusivity to complete a deal for the Pilgrims. In return, he would want funding provided to pay the wages of players and staff at Home Park."

So if the "Irish" are paying Brenda, then Brenda should be at least paying current wages.

Seems to me any "stick" should be directed at Brenda.


Isn't he out in Cyprus "handing out his business card" to other clubs in trouble? :)
Preston could be his next port of call, what we need (and it sounds harsh) is another football club to enter into administration just to see how quickly our situation would be resolved.

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by Leigh Rapson
» 11:27 09 Jun 2011


One thing to bear in mind when dragging up that article is the fact that there was a requirement of 2-3m to fund till the end of the season. The PB wasn't even announced until the last game therefore that figure is actuallly void anyway.

The exclusivity payments will fund the wages, when they come.

IMHO that report is completely out of context now.
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by David_Fisher
» 11:38 09 Jun 2011


mrrapson wrote: One thing to bear in mind when dragging up that article is the fact that there was a requirement of 2-3m to fund till the end of the season. The PB wasn't even announced until the last game therefore that figure is actuallly void anyway.

The exclusivity payments will fund the wages, when they come.

IMHO that report is completely out of context now.


You're quite correct, but Brenda's comment does suggest that the exclusivity payment would fund (among other things) the staff wages during administration.

As Brenda will reportedly receive £800,000 between now and the end of June why is he asking the staff to forego wages for June?

Has the £800,000 been earmarked for some other purpose?

Or are we back to "the PB has / will run out of money" scenario?
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