Heaney not involved but is !
"Irish" backers but maybe not !
Stapleton treated badly !

If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, well as the saying goes it probably is...

HOW DID IT ALL GO SO VERY WRONG

About the time the directors chose to buy the ground?

About the time a large portion of the fanbase was screaming for outside investment as the local directors could not take us to the next stage and the NWO arrived?

About the time the 16,000 fans in our first championship season dropped to 12,000 in a little over 12 months?

Who is to say which is the major factor, that's what these boards are for to debate such issues.

Heaney not involved but is !
""Irish"" backers but maybe not !
Stapleton treated badly !

If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, well as the saying goes it probably is...

HOW DID IT ALL GO SO VERY WRONG

About the time the directors chose to buy the ground?

About the time a large portion of the fanbase was screaming for outside investment as the local directors could not take us to the next stage and the NWO arrived?

About the time the 16,000 fans in our first championship season dropped to 12,000 in a little over 12 months?

Who is to say which is the major factor, that's what these boards are for to debate such issues.

Since Paul Whitehouse wore our shirt in the Insurance Ad.

We haven't been the same since.

We can't exist for a year with no money, we need a buyer now.

Can you clarify if you mean 'any' buyer now?

would i be correct in assuming that the football league would block the takeover, because the way i read the article is that Heany is the mastermind behind the bid

Well, if he is behind the bid, there is total hypocrisy reported in Truro's West Briton newspaper this week, where is love for Truro City F.C. remains as strong as ever.

Statement from Risdale just released - http://www.pafc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0 ... 83,00.html

Statement from Ridsdale just released - http://www.pafc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0 ... 83,00.html

I read that as The Riddler's rattled!

I would have thought the revelations about Heaney are more deserving of a statement than a comment by Buttivant.

Statement from Ridsdale just released - http://www.pafc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0 ... 83,00.html

I read that as The Riddler's rattled!

I would have thought the revelations about Heaney are more deserving of a statement than a comment by Buttivant.

Let's invent another little saga to take the fan's eye off the real issues - as you say Heaney & Co!!

Statement from Ridsdale just released - http://www.pafc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0 ... 83,00.html

I read that as The Riddler's rattled!

I would have thought the revelations about Heaney are more deserving of a statement than a comment by Buttivant.

Let's invent another little saga to take the fan's eye off the real issues - as you say Heaney & Co!!

Indeed. First attempt at trying to spin his way out of the real issues about which he and Brenda have a great deal to answer for .....deflect attention onto someone else. Pathetic

Statement from Ridsdale just released - http://www.pafc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0 ... 83,00.html

I read that as The Riddler's rattled!

I would have thought the revelations about Heaney are more deserving of a statement than a comment by Buttivant.

Totally agree. Over a week of speculation about Heaney and complete u-turns in comments from all concerned - nothing, Buttivant makes one comment and he releases an official outburst on his new messageboard.

For a man who apparently has a legendary thick skin it does seem as the old riddler is rattled.

There are some amazing people on here who see things that others do not and you are one of them! How is he rattled? What he is actually saying is true, the clubs future is on a knife edge. The 20 million burden around the clubs neck is a tough one to shake off. And to call for everyone to work together is so right. Lets think hindsight here shall we....

IF the club should go into liquidation before the season starts and the league kicks off without us and Exeter go top of league one first day, Shrewsbury have a by and our team has gone FOREVER and Ridsdale and co go somewhere else and make a success... Do you think in hindsight there might be some regrets?
Holloway was dissed by many on here as not being a good manager once he decided he wanted to fulfill his ambition. Pulis also was dissed on here. Loads of players to all buried in abuse to only go on and prove themselves elsewhere.
Then the doubters and abusers go quiet on each subject as something new comes along and the things they have said are forgotten.
Well, if the doubters are wrong this time and the relentless digging and assumptions and outrageous allegations carry on anyway then just remember that there wont be something new coming along this time.
And just because some of you believe that the morals are wrong, well I think you should go and find a new team and leave us people with 'less morals' to support Plymouth Argyle...Thats all I want to do. Reforming is really not the answer, it really wont be the same. But this bid IS our only chance to stay alive. Once its done its not to late....if its not done it really will be too late and Plymouth Argyle WILL be gone FOREVER. Its 6 weeks to the beginning of the season and any other deal is not the answer.
Just think about it for a bit....GONE FOREVER...I dont want that and I dont really care what it takes to keep the club name, badge and tradition. Argyle til I die Not Argyle til it dies....
Save the club then call for action if you like but to attempt to cut off the clubs lifeline is terrible.
I think the people who are organizing the meeting on Monday should really outline what their goals are. It all seems to be pointing toward a witch hunt and at this stage of the game we dont need that... Is it a meeting to pave the way for a future or a meeting to attempt to undermine the bidders?
20 million debt, in a massive economic downturn, very little cash around, we can not afford to be choosy... Oh and by the way, if you get your way and hold up the process and we miss our league slot the bidders will be better off.
Just think about it.... Argyle living on so we the fans can fight another day or Argyle not living on and the fight being lost

I read that as The Riddler's rattled!

I would have thought the revelations about Heaney are more deserving of a statement than a comment by Buttivant.

Totally agree. Over a week of speculation about Heaney and complete u-turns in comments from all concerned - nothing, Buttivant makes one comment and he releases an official outburst on his new messageboard.

For a man who apparently has a legendary thick skin it does seem as the old riddler is rattled.

There are some amazing people on here who see things that others do not and you are one of them! How is he rattled? What he is actually saying is true, the clubs future is on a knife edge. The 20 million burden around the clubs neck is a tough one to shake off. And to call for everyone to work together is so right. Lets think hindsight here shall we....

You are also one who sees things that other's don't. It's called different perspectives. It's perfectly normal. Opinions vary.

Yes much of what he says is true, but in my opinion the statement is in effect a personal outburst at Buttivant using the club's mouthpiece. I find that odd. Why is he so bothered by the opinion that has been expressed by Buttivant? Meanwhile, the revelations about Heaney that bring into question a lot of previous statements by Ridsdale are completely ignored. Seems odd that those revelations raise such pertinent questions about his role and yet he chooses to ignore them and instead attack Buttivant for daring to raise such questions.

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I have no problems about peoples opinions etc....

I was wondering though how you and BT got out of that statement that he was rattled?

It seemed like a perfectly good statement from him but i could not begin to access his state of mind from it...whether he was calm, rattled, happy, sad..... If I attempted to then in my opinion I would be attepting to make something from nothing.

As I said, you and BT are truely remarkable.

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I have no problems about peoples opinions etc....

I was wondering though how you and BT got out of that statement that he was rattled?

It seemed like a perfectly good statement from him but i could not begin to access his state of mind from it...whether he was calm, rattled, happy, sad..... If I attempted to then in my opinion I would be attepting to make something from nothing.

As I said, you and BT are truely remarkable.

I've answered that above. Perhaps you're just remarkable in not seeing what other people see.

This is a serious question that needs a serious answer;

Is there any realistic alternative to the Irish/Gibralter/Heaney bid? Yes or no?

Not "I prefer so & so" or "Mr X says he'll do this that and the other" but a sensible cash backed bid that doesn't rely on a third party buying the ground or someone else saying they might "write off" part of what they are owed or might in the future, get involved in some way.

If there is no other offer, I suggest everyone stops f***ing moaning and starts to accept the situation as it is.

Which is that the new owners have no wish to be involved in running the football club. From that the next question is "who can run the football club?" The obvious answer to that is "the guy who's running it now"

Are there any alternatives to the guy who's running it now? Not really as no one else seems to have put their name forward, the fans groups are so fragmented and openly hostile to the new owners, that it's extremely unlikely they could or would be involved, and the only public utterances from previous custodians of the club (not the tainted 7) are as hostile to the new owners as the fans are.


So that leaves us where we are now, which if anyone thinks about it is in not too bad a place.

The club will soon be bought by a group who will clear all the debts that have to be cleared and separate the football side of things from the property side.

So we will have a basically debt free football club in the fourth tier that will have a long term tenancy on the ground they play at (with the likelyhood that said ground will be upgraded. I think this takes us back to where we were before Stapes and Co. got involved-minus the debt to McCauley of course)

Considering the situation 6 months ago, I don't understand why everyone is so wound up about things.

The long term future is looking better as well. If Ridsdale wants to make a profit, he can realistically only do so by selling the club and given that it's only the football club(not the property) that he can sell, it's not impossible that the football club could once again be in the control of locally based people with the best interests of PAFC at heart.