There is a better way Greensam. It's just that Messrs. Jones, Smiffy etc won't share it with us. I am very concerned about Heaney/Ridsdale and co. but will someone please put down in black and white the alternative if they consider there is a better option rather than just hi-jack every thread with all that is wrong with the PB's. At least then the ever increasing number of people on these boards getting fed up with it will have the opportunity to see the light. Is it really that difficult if they feel so passionately about the current PB to lay out the credentials of their own preferred choice and tell us what they bring to the table that is concrete and known fact, do they want to proceed? do they have the proven funds? will they pay the staff in full? will they likewise separate the land and football club?etc.etc. 90% of us I am sure wouldn't trust these fellows as far as we could throw them looking at their previous track record but what exactly is the alternative they are proposing? Do share it with us please.

Wasting your time there me old fruit........ I have been asking for that for weeks now. They just ignore me now because they can't give an alternative

Nice try

James Brent. I've said it at least 10-20 times now, at least half of them to you directly, no-one can be that obtuse Marin(er) so as I know you are trying to wind me up, I refuse to bite.

Peeps, this head in the sand attitude is what causesg me to come back and explain the same things again and again, so when you get the nark that i'm "banging on" you need to bear in mind who is causing the repetition .

The only proven stitch up suffered by argyle in recent times was by the septic seven.
I'm sure that as we move forward you will all be ready to say those words....'told you'
Well we will see in good time but for now you can not say that really

All hearsay and opinion. Anyone can come on here and say Brent cares more but there is not a scrap of evidence to back this up. anyone can say Brent has a record of turning business around... Have you sen how he does it? Cut backs, redundancies, asset stripping etc... Also available on google. anyone can say Heaney has gone bust and ridsdale has a dubious past. many construction companies have disappeared recently, ridsdale is no different from many other of his type... Ken bates is one. Too many assumptions, ifs but and maybes in everyone of the doubters so called alternatives.

Mariner, I have read your comments with interest, just as I have read other opposing views.
My opinion (and I repeat, my opinion) is that there are NO ideal scenarios on offer. I don't like Heaney, based purely on the way he operates. I am a graet believer in actions speaking louder than words and he appears far to sneaky for my liking.
As for Brent, I have always viewed him as a possible last resort if all else failed.
Buttivent, I have no opinion of him, although I think he could have done more if he was serious about the purchase.
White knight with loads of dosh .... nobody out there!
So, what are we left with? As Argyle supporters, we all want the club to survive and prosper ... but at what cost?
I'm not talking about the money needed to buy the club, rather what cost to our integrity.
Some are happy to just accept the status quo as long as there is a team on the pitch.
Personally, although I want this too, I find it hard to gloss over the underhand and (seemingly) unscrupulous way this has been engineered. Make no mistake, this has been engineered!
Truth is, we are skint, I accept that and have no issue with living within our means. Can I ignore the way this has come about ... No!
If that makes me a rebel without a clue, fine. I should also clarify that i do NOT want to see the club liquidated. I do NOT have any interest in supporting AFC Argyle. Some people call this morals, others call it unrealistic, both of which may be true, but it MY personal view.
Some people are too ready to accept dodgy dealings as 'normal' these days, as long as they get the outcomes they want, but I'm not one of them.
I have no desire to take issue with anyone elses view, as we are all different, but the saddest thing in all of this for me, is the innocent people who suffer and the lack of governance and leadership from the FA, Football League etc.
Perhaps this is the 21st centuary and my thought processes are out of date ... but I can live with that.
Meanwhile, I wait with everyone else for the big announcement.

Whatever smiffy...... You obviously also have your head in the sand. let me rephrase so that even you get it....
When someone can put a valid alternative on the table that is not based on hearsay, rumour, ifs buts or maybes then it will be acknowledged whole heartedly by me for sure

Well I see it slightly differently. Under the Guilfoyle/Ridsdale masterplan:

1. The land is going to a secretive unaccountable Gibraltar-based shell company, with (despite vehement denials) all the strings being pulled by a man who liquidated a company in Cornwall just 3 years ago, leaving 165 local suppliers out of pocket.

2. The club, stripped of its remaining assets, will then be handed to a man who liquidated his consultancy two years ago, owing HMRC (you and me in other words) a third of a million pounds. The inquiry is, according to the Guardian, ongoing.

3. This same man will be in court later this month on 3 charges of fraud.

All this is inconsistent with my view of what a football club with its roots in the community should be all about.

An arrangement the city should be proud of? No.

Plymouth deserves better. Much better.

I can see your point Peter and I don't disagree with you. Every supporter would love to see the Club bought by a rich fan who would throw money at the club until we got into the Premiership

But!

There's hardly a queue of disappointed buyers laden with suitcases of readies trying to beat a path the Brendan's door is there?

Just a couple of "lurkers" hanging around in the background saying lots of things to please the fans "community based club" "self financing business model" and other such insubstantial management speak.

Well here's a few phrases that should be thrown into the mix;

"Actions speaks louder than words"

"Talk is cheap"

"Put your money where your mouth is"

I'd just like a comment from those involved at the time about Pengelly's statement about PCC being told the Board intended to use the purchase of the freehold to raise funds to develop the ground "within six months"

I've also suggested a couple of times that Brent and Buttivant should "lay their cards on the table" to try to create some kind of media / fans pressure to give Brenda a reason to kick Heaney out.

But the silence from both Brent and Buttivant is deafening which enables Brenda to just muddle along and keep extending the so-called deadline.

It's no good saying Brent's a really nice bloke etc - someone needs to get up off their ar$e and stir things up.

Doesn't exclusivity stop them from 'laying their cards on the table' - Guilfoyle has shut then out to do a 'so called' deal with the ginger one!!

"BRENDAN Guilfoyle, Administrator for Plymouth Argyle Football Company (in administration), is delighted to announce that, at a meeting with the preferred bidder held today, Tuesday, June 21, 2011, the terms of a formal sale and purchase agreement were agreed by both parties.

The above means that we have now moved from the exclusivity period to the final sale process."

So we're no longer in exclusivity so what's to stop Brent or Buttivant sticking their two penneth in??

I've just bought 2 tickets for the Euromillions lottery tonight.

All being well in a few hours I will be £154 million better off so I expect some further developments as to the PB sometime tomorrow.

Are you lending the ginge the £5mill - obviously you are locked out of the exclusivity club!!

No, I have an irrational dislike of all things ginger.

Except Nicole Kidman and Kirsten Dunst.

I expect they will become board members, a couple of ginger mingers as directors should keep the Heaney lovers quiet.

Sounds like quite a party - I too might overlook long haired ginges, if you take shorty!!

I've also suggested a couple of times that Brent and Buttivant should "lay their cards on the table" to try to create some kind of media / fans pressure to give Brenda a reason to kick Heaney out.

But the silence from both Brent and Buttivant is deafening which enables Brenda to just muddle along and keep extending the so-called deadline.

It's no good saying Brent's a really nice bloke etc - someone needs to get up off their ar$e and stir things up.

Doesn't exclusivity stop them from 'laying their cards on the table' - Guilfoyle has shut then out to do a 'so called' deal with the ginger one!!

"BRENDAN Guilfoyle, Administrator for Plymouth Argyle Football Company (in administration), is delighted to announce that, at a meeting with the preferred bidder held today, Tuesday, June 21, 2011, the terms of a formal sale and purchase agreement were agreed by both parties.

The above means that we have now moved from the exclusivity period to the final sale process."

So we're no longer in exclusivity so what's to stop Brent or Buttivant sticking their two penneth in??

Doh!! let's hope your guy get's on with it then - can't wait for the crowning!!

There is a better way Greensam. It's just that Messrs. Jones, Smiffy etc won't share it with us. I am very concerned about Heaney/Ridsdale and co. but will someone please put down in black and white the alternative if they consider there is a better option rather than just hi-jack every thread with all that is wrong with the PB's. At least then the ever increasing number of people on these boards getting fed up with it will have the opportunity to see the light. Is it really that difficult if they feel so passionately about the current PB to lay out the credentials of their own preferred choice and tell us what they bring to the table that is concrete and known fact, do they want to proceed? do they have the proven funds? will they pay the staff in full? will they likewise separate the land and football club?etc.etc. 90% of us I am sure wouldn't trust these fellows as far as we could throw them looking at their previous track record but what exactly is the alternative they are proposing? Do share it with us please.

Wasting your time there me old fruit........ I have been asking for that for weeks now. They just ignore me now because they can't give an alternative

Nice try

James Brent. I've said it at least 10-20 times now, at least half of them to you directly, no-one can be that obtuse Marin(er) so as I know you are trying to wind me up, I refuse to bite.

Peeps, this head in the sand attitude is what causesg me to come back and explain the same things again and again, so when you get the nark that i'm "banging on" you need to bear in mind who is causing the repetition .

But Smiffy, all you have come up with is a name. Put some meat on the bones, what does he offer exactly and can he provide it?

The only proven stitch up suffered by argyle in recent times was by the septic seven.
I'm sure that as we move forward you will all be ready to say those words....'told you'Well we will see in good time but for now you can not say that really

So you 'are sure' that the bleak future scenario for the club that has been put to you is what is likely to happen yet you still support it?

I thought you were naive and hoping for the best but it seems you just simply enjoy the attention of being a vocal and persistent advocator of an increasingly minority opinion.

To hope is one thing. To support a scenario you expect to turn to turd due to the lack (in your blinkered version of awareness) of an alternative is mindless

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I've also suggested a couple of times that Brent and Buttivant should "lay their cards on the table" to try to create some kind of media / fans pressure to give Brenda a reason to kick Heaney out.

But the silence from both Brent and Buttivant is deafening which enables Brenda to just muddle along and keep extending the so-called deadline.

It's no good saying Brent's a really nice bloke etc - someone needs to get up off their ar$e and stir things up.

Buttivant is still keeping tabs on the situation and is still in contact with those concerned, I guess Brent is doing the same. Both will operate behind the scenes because of the exclusivity agreement and will not say too much in public unless the deal with the Preferred Bidder collapses.

The recent point on this thread is that there are other options but Guilfoyle chose the worse one, unless you're a secured creditor.
Since the process started there were other bids - Affinity Sports Finance (Todd/Gardner), Kevin Ball and his group and one I recently heard about that made some enquiries but those in charge didn't follow up their offer, plus there might have been more interested parties.

There are options.

James Brent. I've said it at least 10-20 times now ........

Smiffy I can honestly say that that quote is factual.

However, you never seem to say why other than :

a) quoting the negative, i.e. he must be alright because he's better than Heaney
b) he's a jolly nice chap
c) he's said some really good things to a few people I know.

But what makes you so supremely confident that someone with absolutely no reported past interest in football has the club's long term interests at heart ? What prevents JB (or any bidder) from turning the thing around and selling it to God knows who for a healthy profit in the future ? As such what prevents him from doing the very same things Peter Jones cautioned against with the current PB on a different thread ?

Personally I'd love all the good stuff about JB to be all true, indeed it may very well be. But I've never been convinced of his motivation because in all honesty I'm not sure he's ever been convinced of the venture himself (hence the 'reluctance').

I'll repeat my position below so you know where I stand because you have drawn the wrong conclusions in your haste and you may have missed it on the other thread - I'm no PB apologist but genuinely don't understand what makes you and others so confident about alternatives other than quoting hearsay and rhetoric.

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- I do not refuse to listen. I read every post with interest particularly those with some substance. John's post had more substance than yours.
- I do not like what is happening, I do not have any allegiance to the PB. You do not need to convince me of this. (I'll highlight this just so it's crystal clear)
- I preferred to support JB at the start of all this but have not come to understand his motivation nor his plan. Never has that been fully explained. I've heard/read a few fluffy interviews and commentaries in public but no indication of long term goals or business plan - you ?
- My personal opinion is that I fear for the future of Argyle fullstop. Under the PB or due to lack of knowledge any other potential bidder. It's a shambles from what I can see.
- But I fear that the withdrawal of support will realise what so many on here crusade for - the non-payment for staff (and maybe worse).
- Don't give me reasons for not supporting the PB, I don't need them, there are plenty out there.
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Whatever smiffy...... You obviously also have your head in the sand. let me rephrase so that even you get it....
When someone can put a valid alternative on the table that is not based on hearsay, rumour, ifs buts or maybes then it will be acknowledged whole heartedly by me for sure

So let ME get this straight, you believe James Brent to be hearsay?, you believe James Brent to be a rumour?. You put so much store in the words that come from Brendan Guilfoyles mouth but even he said that if Heaney doesn't come good he'll have to revisit the other bidders who have remained involved.

As i've said before, NOTHING will convince you to open your mind, NOTHING will sway you from your hypnosis. You wouldn't recognise an alternative if it led a tap dancing troupe of 10,000 sequin encrusted showgirls singing "alternatives are here again".

Like I say, no-one can be that obtuse, my only possible theory is that you are Peter Ridsdale or Kevin Heaney, I claim my £10 prize .