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Re: A quick update/Truly amazing - Merged.

Posted: 21:05 05 Jul 2011
by esmer
X Isle wrote: Grasping at straws you say?.

Oh absolutely comrade, grasping at the straws on my Grande Cuba libre, relaxing after a hard day of being right again 8-).

Round of golf tommorow, I can spare the time because no announcements will be made about anything, it'll also give you plenty of time to compose something witty and original, something that's fit to lick the boots of one of MY comebacks 8-).

Es, take the glasses off and peel the masking tape from them, all the answers are there, if only you'd read them. I honestly get the impression that if you lot were to kidnap James Brent and torture him to extract every last piece of information in his head........it STILL wouldn't be good enough. You're all making yourselves look very silly now :oops:.

So you still say he will pay all outstanding debts immediately without developing in the car park. I find that very hard to believe.On completion he's going to straight away fork out probably £8m for the sole pleasure of owning a League 2 football club - right, if you say so.

Re: A quick update/Truly amazing - Merged.

Posted: 21:07 05 Jul 2011
by TCM
X Isle wrote: Grasping at straws you say?.

Oh absolutely comrade, grasping at the straws on my Grande Cuba libre, relaxing after a hard day of being right again 8-).

Round of golf tommorow, I can spare the time because no announcements will be made about anything, it'll also give you plenty of time to compose something witty and original, something that's fit to lick the boots of one of MY comebacks 8-).

Es, take the glasses off and peel the masking tape from them, all the answers are there, if only you'd read them. I honestly get the impression that if you lot were to kidnap James Brent and torture him to extract every last piece of information in his head........it STILL wouldn't be good enough. You're all making yourselves look very silly now :oops:.

yes grasping at straws oh master word smith :lol:

Re: A quick update/Truly amazing - Merged.

Posted: 21:09 05 Jul 2011
by jimbo_the_green
marin(er) wrote: Ok jumbo

Here it is.... The sentence in question. I missed a letter between that and what.... The sentence should have started like this.... 'but that's what it'.... then it goes on to explain the previous statement in a clearer way.... Think you just have a problem reading. Sorry about the missed LETTER!!


but that what it actually says is it?! I'm sure you will be ready to say that at the slightest opportunity if you need it clarified to your level.....


if you think that makes much more sense then I guess it was more than just a typing error.

Re: A quick update/Truly amazing - Merged.

Posted: 21:11 05 Jul 2011
by marin(er)
X Isle wrote: Grasping at straws you say?.

Oh absolutely comrade, grasping at the straws on my Grande Cuba libre, relaxing after a hard day of being right again 8-).

Round of golf tommorow, I can spare the time because no announcements will be made about anything, it'll also give you plenty of time to compose something witty and original, something that's fit to lick the boots of one of MY comebacks 8-).

Es, take the glasses off and peel the masking tape from them, all the answers are there, if only you'd read them. I honestly get the impression that if you lot were to kidnap James Brent and torture him to extract every last piece of information in his head........it STILL wouldn't be good enough. You're all making yourselves look very silly now :oops:.


Now I absolutely know you are on a wind up!! No worries, it was a good one I will give you that but since you have started to adopt the god like stance it's become transparent. It's all a game to you smiffy. Well I think you are not being respectful enough to the staff or the businesses left in Debt by the septic seven. Most of all you are not respecting me... I think the tactic of ignoring my posts and their content and attacking me and the fellow 'masking tape' tints instead of coming back with reasoned debate is your weakness. You don't give two flying ones about the club or anything associated with it. This whole thing is a smiffy crusade...... Well if you cannot engage in reasoned debate then don't bother at all. You do yourself and the club no favours. So go back to your throne and think up your next monarchic statement to your headless chicken like followers. You ain't fooling me or any of the others that actually do take the future of our club seriously. Go back to Exeter mate

Re: A quick update/Truly amazing - Merged.

Posted: 21:20 05 Jul 2011
by TCM
jimbo_the_green wrote:
totnes comie mike wrote: jimbo i think it was the bit where you said that i would understand it better wich i take it was a pop at my spelling,,,,sad :(


if i made you sad i'll buy you a pint as well next time i'm in TQ9. Jeez the future of our beloved club is in the process of being irrevocably incinerated and you two are getting upset at this. Prioritise your arguments gentlemen, the worst is yet to come

its not making me sad :lol: that was aimed at you :lol: for pointing it out when like you say there are more pressing matters jimbo,and yea ile take you up on that pint :)

Re: A quick update/Truly amazing - Merged.

Posted: 21:21 05 Jul 2011
by Moist_Von_Lipwig
Is it true that the Brent bid is the only one that offered some sort of "fans representation"?

If so, and in the interests of "transparency", what exactly did he offer?

Re: A quick update/Truly amazing - Merged.

Posted: 21:36 05 Jul 2011
by TCM
John_Vaughan wrote: Is it true that the Brent bid is the only one that offered some sort of "fans representation"?

If so, and in the interests of "transparency", what exactly did he offer?

mr x has the answers,well thats what he said

Re: A quick update/Truly amazing - Merged.

Posted: 08:23 06 Jul 2011
by Frank_Butcher
Nicely worded and some decent stuff in there - though thoroughly mixed with perspective :wink: . Just a few comments so excuse the selective quoting:

X Isle wrote: The reason for his interest was a noble one, a footballing one. He wants Argyle to survive as a football club so Plymouth and the South-West Peninsula had football league representation. Many misconstrued as 'reluctance' his back-stop position a) he was hoping for a sugar daddy when all we got was a dodgy uncle and b) a reluctant but noble and capable man beats an enthusiastic self interested and incapable one every day.


Look, I want to believe you - and him - I really do. But a man with no track record or interest in football suddenly wants to save PAFC because 'his his interest was a noble one, a footballing one' ? I'm struggling with that I'm afraid.

X Isle wrote: He didn't seek to b*llsh*t us, he was clear we were to be run sell sufficiently (see 1&4).


I'm sure that wasn't Freudian and you mean't 'self' :)

X Isle wrote: Above all he has a proven through his track record in business ESPECIALLY in the salvage of businesses in administration.


Indeed, and for a businessman this could look like a decent opportunity. With no interest in football (apart from his noble cause :wink: ) the thing has great potential. Nothing wrong with that, I just can't buy the nobility thing.

X Isle wrote: He intends to keep Home Park and Plymouth Argyle Football Club together. The myth that sprung up about there being a precondition of sale to PCC is just rubbish. When asked about selling HP to someone for profit he replied that the only people he'd consider selling to in the future was PCC. What was actually a reassuring statement about keeping all facets of the club united was spun into something it wasn't - a desire to sell to PCC. He was hugely maligned by that spin. (see 1&5).


Counting a York City fan as one of my closest friends the separation of club and ground is the thing that irks me the most, so yes I would see this as a huge positive. The story about the sale to PCC isn't really spin - that would mean it was something that was generated by opponents. That isn't my understanding (though I could be wrong).

X Isle wrote: He always represented the best alternative for the fans and most certainly for football as he kept everything together, all available options for future development would remain under him, a mutual benefit from those developments would also remain (not just a foreign ownership property cream off). ).


Ditto above. Whether it's reluctance or a backstop, I think that position was damaging for many. And I still can't shift the doubt over his lack of football interest and his 'noble cause'. All said though, he had the opportunity to be more positive (in public, and through his offer) but didn't. A shame, because on balance I do believe I'd be feeling more comfortable had he done so.

Re: A quick update/Truly amazing - Merged.

Posted: 09:16 06 Jul 2011
by X Isle
Frank, I can't help you with your 'feelings' or 'vibes' I could only answer the question you set, which I did.

A lot seems to hang on his previous interest in football, and it's true he wasn't an Argyle fan at the start of the process. Two things I can say on that score. Firstly, towards the end of the season i'm informed he'd been bitten, it mayhave been initially ionstigated by his involvement in the process but his interest and enthusiasm in the games was there to be seen and couldn't be faked. Secondly you have to look at his wider fanaticism and score him some consolation points for that, he's a proud Westcountryman. He might not have been a passionate Argyle fan but he's passionate about the south west peninsula thriving in all aspects, including sport. So Argyle fits his passion, even if it's not directly (or wasn't to start with should I say :wink:) but at least it's a passion based on something other than personal gain.

The PCC thing really WAS that simple, that was all he said about it.

Sell sufficiently :lol:, yeah, i'll give you that freudian typo for free :doh:.

Did he sell himself well?. He sold himself honestly, he just doesn't strike me as the 'JP Barnum' self hype/publicity type, he's just a quiet, efficient and very good businessman. He put his face out there, he was honest in his answers but personally I think it's a bit harsh to say that he didn't sell himself better than his 'falling over themselves like a dog with two c0cks' self interested rivals. For me if you want him to be more ruthless and grow sharp pointy elbows then actually it takes away from his USP in this process - quiet, diplomatic efficiency and good governance..............and f**k knows we need some of that right now.