It's an equation that has established the club pecking order and bounce back ability of stricken clubs throughout football history. strength in numbers is definitely it.... But you don't necessarily need a trust, just a regular 20,000+ turning up each week. We as a region (Plymouth, Cornwall and West Devon should command that easily but we don't. But a united fan base is essential. A fanbase should not fragment like ours has. Support the club and get behind the cause is the simple formula to get us out of this mess

I missed that gem last night. Lions led by donkeys springs to mind. You're the type the generals needed in the trenches at the Somme.

It's an equation that has established the club pecking order and bounce back ability of stricken clubs throughout football history. strength in numbers is definitely it.... But you don't necessarily need a trust, just a regular 20,000+ turning up each week. We as a region (Plymouth, Cornwall and West Devon should command that easily but we don't. But a united fan base is essential. A fanbase should not fragment like ours has. Support the club and get behind the cause is the simple formula to get us out of this mess

I missed that gem last night. Lions led by donkeys springs to mind. You're the type the generals needed in the trenches at the Somme.

I'm sorry mate but I really don't see why you have a problem with this so called gem? It's the basic formula of running an entertainment business, it's called bums on seats... The problem in football/sport is that too many people want to big a slice... A trust run club will not address these issues unless of course they have a NEW formula where they don't need the bums on seats.... And by the way, my grandad died in those trenches...

Top post Greenmill, very true and interesting, thank you, it was a good read !

Surprisingly I agree with the marin(er) on this one. I asked my nephew who is a Norwich season ticket holder for the key to their success. His reply was that 20,000 crowds, despite relegation to league 1 gave them the strength and confidence to clear out and rebuild. It's been done to death on here but if only we could have a similarly engaged and motivated local fan base.

This is the latest quote from Brent in today's Herald.



The Akkeron Group chief said he was "delighted" to answer fans' calls to meet, but stressed there would be '' no guarantee" he could still rescue the club



So where does that leave Plan B in the event that Brent is no longer in a position to purchase the club & land ??.

Surprisingly I agree with the marin(er) on this one. I asked my nephew who is a Norwich season ticket holder for the key to their success. His reply was that 20,000 crowds, despite relegation to league 1 gave them the strength and confidence to clear out and rebuild. It's been done to death on here but if only we could have a similarly engaged and motivated local fan base.

You see John, I was right along!!

Surprisingly I agree with the marin(er) on this one. I asked my nephew who is a Norwich season ticket holder for the key to their success. His reply was that 20,000 crowds, despite relegation to league 1 gave them the strength and confidence to clear out and rebuild. It's been done to death on here but if only we could have a similarly engaged and motivated local fan base.

It's very true that without a sugar daddy that football clubs rely on supporters turning up in numbers.

The key things in making this happen are winning football, well thought out pricing, and engaging with fans. When it is unlikely that you will provide winning football then you need to make sure that you make the fans feel a part of their club and get your pricing right. The second half of last season saw the fans engaging with their club in a way that I have never seen before. That feeling needed to be capitalised upon, and, after two relegations, we needed some creative pricing to help pull in the crowds.

The point that Marin(er) is missing here though is that this is a Plan B, to be put into practice if Heaney fails to find the money or fool the Football League. If Heaney was to fail and there was no backup plan then calling for Argyle fans to unite behind the team would be pointless, as there would be no Argyle. Nothing is certain in this process, having a Plan B is a must in case the PB fails.

It may be the case that Plan B appears more attractive to supporters than Heaney/Ridsdale. If it does then I am sure those trying to ensure that Argyle have a future in case of a PB
failure will be accused of all sorts of dastardly things by our new super hero fact man; really though you need to look at why it would appear more attractive than Heaney/Ridsdale. I think that Greenmill did rather a good job of summng up why it might be a more attractive proposition.

it is not necessarily about a winning formula, however this is a debate that has been done about local support, nothing will change. my point is that plan B is to little to late. it does have all the makings of a hijack bid and when Heaney, who is already signed up, does the deal there will be an even bigger rift between the fans.. There will be a 'what we could have had' mentality whatever happens. Whether the club is trust owned or not the fact remains that it is a poorly supported club for what ever reason and financially we will struggle.

Surprisingly I agree with the marin(er) on this one. I asked my nephew who is a Norwich season ticket holder for the key to their success. His reply was that 20,000 crowds, despite relegation to league 1 gave them the strength and confidence to clear out and rebuild. It's been done to death on here but if only we could have a similarly engaged and motivated local fan base.

It's very true that without a sugar daddy that football clubs rely on supporters turning up in numbers.

The key things in making this happen are winning football, well thought out pricing, and engaging with fans. When it is unlikely that you will provide winning football then you need to make sure that you make the fans feel a part of their club and get your pricing right. The second half of last season saw the fans engaging with their club in a way that I have never seen before. That feeling needed to be capitalised upon, and, after two relegations, we needed some creative pricing to help pull in the crowds.

The point that Marin(er) is missing here though is that this is a Plan B, to be put into practice if Heaney fails to find the money or fool the Football League. If Heaney was to fail and there was no backup plan then calling for Argyle fans to unite behind the team would be pointless, as there would be no Argyle. Nothing is certain in this process, having a Plan B is a must in case the PB fails.

It may be the case that Plan B appears more attractive to supporters than Heaney/Ridsdale. If it does then I am sure those trying to ensure that Argyle have a future in case of a PB
failure will be accused of all sorts of dastardly things by our new super hero fact man; really though you need to look at why it would appear more attractive than Heaney/Ridsdale. I think that Greenmill did rather a good job of summng up why it might be a more attractive proposition.

it is not necessarily about a winning formula, however this is a debate that has been done about local support, nothing will change. my point is that plan B is to little to late. it does have all the makings of a hijack bid and when Heaney, who is already signed up, does the deal there will be an even bigger rift between the fans.. There will be a 'what we could have had' mentality whatever happens. Whether the club is trust owned or not the fact remains that it is a poorly supported club for what ever reason and financially we will struggle.

I think you need to open your eyes - there already is a 'what we could have had mentality' amongst the fans and I struggle to see how an even bigger rift can develop than what we already have.

it is not necessarily about a winning formula, however this is a debate that has been done about local support, nothing will change. my point is that plan B is to little to late. it does have all the makings of a hijack bid and when Heaney, who is already signed up, does the deal there will be an even bigger rift between the fans.. There will be a 'what we could have had' mentality whatever happens. Whether the club is trust owned or not the fact remains that it is a poorly supported club for what ever reason and financially we will struggle.

For someone who supposedly only deals in facts, that's rather a lot of speculation.

it is not necessarily about a winning formula, however this is a debate that has been done about local support, nothing will change. my point is that plan B is to little to late. it does have all the makings of a hijack bid and when Heaney, who is already signed up, does the deal there will be an even bigger rift between the fans.. There will be a 'what we could have had' mentality whatever happens. Whether the club is trust owned or not the fact remains that it is a poorly supported club for what ever reason and financially we will struggle.

From memory both Brent and Buttivant stated that the club would benefit financially from the development income streams, the PB clearly just wants to strip those assets and leave the club to swim on it's own....

Personally thats why I dislike the current PB so much. they are greedy and have no interest in football and are stunting about ability to even dream about the Premier league one day.

I get that it's the previous boards fault that we are in this situation and I hope several of them particularly culpabale ( Todd, Stapes, Kagami and Sir I don't do failure) but don't expect me to clap if/when the current PB has finishing pilagging my club.

Can someone please answer this for me?

If Heaney and his gang succeed in buying the club for the contracted fee, do they also have to pay up the £700K balance on the exclusitivity deal? Was the £1M a contracted fee that has to be collected?

If not, then surely Brenda has failed in his lawful duty, since he lost 1 potential bidder by insisting on the exclusivity payment, then ring-fenced Heaneys mob for paying an instalment only on the £1M, then failed to collect the balance.

it is not necessarily about a winning formula, however this is a debate that has been done about local support, nothing will change. my point is that plan B is to little to late. it does have all the makings of a hijack bid and when Heaney, who is already signed up, does the deal there will be an even bigger rift between the fans.. There will be a 'what we could have had' mentality whatever happens. Whether the club is trust owned or not the fact remains that it is a poorly supported club for what ever reason and financially we will struggle.

For someone who supposedly only deals in facts, that's rather a lot of speculation.

Based on the fact that the rift is widening as we speak and plan b is becoming the 'done deal' on these boards I really don't think there is a lot of speculation involved...