Well said John Petrie! For the life of me, I just don't know why people bother replying to marin(er)'s ridiculous ramblings which, for the most part, aren't worthy of a response any more.

Ah, the Italian has spoken!! Thanks ford green, another bit of proof for my pack theory.

No pack theory... have you ever considered that everyone is just getting bored of your consistently tedious posts? A month or so back you seemed to have quite a few people who agreed with you, probably because your posts made sense and offered a good viewpoint. As the process has continued, your posts have become more confused and seem to attack everything to do with the contingency plan, while refusing to accept any criticism whatsoever of your bid.


Also people do not need to hunt down your posts, they are bleddy everywhere and always seem to follow the same lines, either:

1. Moaning about people not agreeing with you.

2. Asking a series of questions, many of which you have had answered many times before.(I'm surprised how many of them you have had answered to be honest, Chris Webb and others have been very transparent in their answers to you)

3. Ignoring any or all answers to said questions that you don't agree with, or that seem to show the contingency plan being good in any way.


Finally...

It is a contingency plan, if your preferred bidders plan is as good as you claim it will never even be needed!! How can you be so opposed to something that you are so sure will never be needed?

You are no supporter of this club... You admitted as much when you said you would no longer go if Brent ever took control.

And you said the same about you not going because of Heaney!!

Hey, how do you think people feel about x isles posts....and yours come to that?

Well said John Petrie! For the life of me, I just don't know why people bother replying to marin(er)'s ridiculous ramblings which, for the most part, aren't worthy of a response any more.

For god's sake why are people responding to his comments. Just leave him/her in his own little world. No more responses to him/her. please.

Another pack member?

Why would you recommend people do that then? Because I want the club to get through this? Because I want the potentially catastrophic letters to the FA stopped? Because I want potentially highly destructive contacts to stop being posted on here saying let's lobby these people, let's send a petition to these?
You all have done your utmost to sabotage what is potentially the ONLY life line this club has... And why?
You can all say don't reply and the likes, fine. But why?
I will continue to post and will continue to put my opinions across, no need to reply if you don't want to.
I will also keep asking about the development plans for the Brent plan.
I will also support my club through this season and every other season for my life until I feel there is a need to withdraw that, just lik most of you are currently doing.
So, get back pack!!

Why would you recommend people do that then? Because I want the club to get through this? Because I want the potentially catastrophic letters to the FA stopped? Because I want potentially highly destructive contacts to stop being posted on here saying let's lobby these people, let's send a petition to these?
You all have done your utmost to sabotage what is potentially the ONLY life line this club has... And why?
You can all say don't reply and the likes, fine. But why?
I will continue to post and will continue to put my opinions across, no need to reply if you don't want to. I will also keep asking about the development plans for the Brent plan.
I will also support my club through this season and every other season for my life until I feel there is a need to withdraw that, just lik most of you are currently doing.
So, get back pack!![/quote]

Good on you, keep posting away. With every post and as time passes your arguments for supporting Heaney become weaker and your credibility disappears little by little. I quite enjoy reading your agitated responses to very simple questions.

Again, your ignorance entertains me. Keep them coming.

The Football League are to make a statement regarding Plymouth Argyle tomorrow.There are two possible outcomes

Firstly, they can suggest that they are prepared to recommend a conditional approval to the Football League Board for the transfer of the 'Football League share' to PAFC (125) Ltd. (It is a Football League Board decision.) It is then a matter of judgement by Brendan Guilfoyle whether those conditions, whatever they may be, can be met. To continue to confer the Preferred Bidders with their exclusive status he would have to assured that the Sale and purchase Agreement can be completed both in financial and legal terms within an acceptable time limit to him as Joint Administrator

Secondly, the Football League can confirm that they are unhappy with the Bishop International Ltd / PAFC (125) Ltd proposal as it fails to meet their rules, particularly in relation to the Association and Dual Purpose, but possibly others too such as the efficacy of the three year business plan.

Brendan Guilfoyle is on 'lock down' at the moment refusing to engage with the media or anyone else. We know from Peter Ridsdale's comments that he is under pressure from others in his P&A Partnership to bring this to a conclusion. As others have rightly pointed out his reputation as a specialist in the field will be in tatters if he fails to secure the future of the football club and is forced to liquidate the company. It will be biggest failure of a Football League club in history.

The principal reason why a plan B / rescue plan / contingency plan, call it whatever you like, evolved was to ensure that if the Football League rejected the BIL/PAFC(125)Ltd plan or he finally gave up the ghost in waiting for the funds from Heaney then Guilfoyle could legitimately pick up the phone to an alternative. He could have some confidence in doing so, given that funds have been proven and due diligence had been undertaken, and given it was possible that could be delivered within a constrained timetable.

Make no mistake if a contingency plan were called upon it would be all 'hands to the pump' in an effort to overcome all the difficulties and obstacles within a matter of a few short weeks. That is why it is comforting to know that both the two principal players, the Akkeron Group (under James Brent) and the City Council are fully aware of what needs to be done to secure the future of the football club.

To achieve survival as a football club, if called upon by the administrator, will require a unique partnership (let's call it that rather than a plan) between not only the principal players but the staff, the players and most importantly of all the supporters. There will be no time for rancour and suspicion but instead a unifying spirit is required in excess of the remarkable efforts achieved so far. Nothing less will do.

Cheers for the update and explanation Graham.

I have a question (and i'm sorry if it's been answered before) you've mentioned a time frame of a few weeks for the contingency to come to fruition should that avenue need to be taken. What are the reasons for this sort of time constraint being placed on the contingency plan?

Again apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere just say so and i'll go searching the other threads.

And you said the same about you not going because of Heaney!!

Hey, how do you think people feel about x isles posts....and yours come to that?

I said I would think twice about going because of Heaney. I also won't be buying a merchandise etc. However my primary reason for this is that I have no money. If I did I would probably be paying on the day, therefore reserving the opportunity to withdraw my support if the club is not run well. I still hope to attend 8-12 home matches this season.

Rallying against a contingency plan like you are just makes no sense. To give an example...

I recently went caving, a torch amongst other things is a requirement. I packed my favourite torch with the intention of it being the one I was to use. I also had another torch, It wasn't my favourite as I personally don't think it is as powerful, and it doesn't attach to my head like the other one. However I took it anyway, as a contingency, just in case. I never did need the contingency torch, but there was no harm in taking it.

Why do you think there is any harm in having a contingency bid?

You obviously are certain it won't be needed, yet you still feel sure it would fail and be impracticable anyway, and feel the need to consistently put it down. I ask you what is the harm in trying to have a contingency?

Even if it is needed and does turn out to be impractical(something I doubt), then we haven't lost anything by trying. If the PB falls through(If... I'm not saying it will or won't). Then without a contingency we have one option... liquidation. With a contingency we at least have something to try before liquidation. The end result might be the same either way, but at least with a contingency there is a chance if the worst should happen.

I can understand someone not feeling that a contingency will be needed. But your stance doesn't make an iota of sense. Why not just ignore it safely in the knowledge that it will never be needed?

I'm going to attempt to split all this rubbish (in which I took a major part ).

[Andy_S]

Good luck Ian!

And you said the same about you not going because of Heaney!!

Hey, how do you think people feel about x isles posts....and yours come to that?

I said I would think twice about going because of Heaney. I also won't be buying a merchandise etc. However my primary reason for this is that I have no money. If I did I would probably be paying on the day, therefore reserving the opportunity to withdraw my support if the club is not run well. I still hope to attend 8-12 home matches this season.

Rallying against a contingency plan like you are just makes no sense. To give an example...

I recently went caving, a torch amongst other things is a requirement. I packed my favourite torch with the intention of it being the one I was to use. I also had another torch, It wasn't
my favourite as I personally don't think it is as powerful, and it doesn't attach to my head like the other one. However I took it anyway, as a contingency, just in case. I never did need the contingency torch, but there was no harm in taking it.

Why do you think there is any harm in having a contingency bid?

You obviously are certain it won't be needed, yet you still feel sure it would fail and be impracticable anyway, and feel the need to consistently put it down. I ask you what is the harm in trying to have a contingency?

Even if it is needed and does turn out to be impractical(something I doubt), then we haven't lost anything by trying. If the PB falls through(If... I'm not saying it will or won't). Then
without a contingency we have one option... liquidation. With a contingency we at least have something to try before liquidation. The end result might be the same either way, but at least with a contingency there is a chance if the worst should happen.

I can understand someone not feeling that a contingency will be needed. But your stance doesn't make an iota of sense. Why not just ignore it safely in the knowledge that it will never be needed?

Here is the big misconception. I am not anti contingency plan, I am not anti Heaney, I am certainly not anti argyle.

I originally took umbrage to the fact that people were moaning about Heaney making profit. Why the hell shouldnt they? What say do we have on something that isn't ours etc. etc.
I have stuck to my guns throughout, unlike some. And as x isle would say, it's principles...

I actually wish Brent got in there first then there might not have been all this in fighting, he didn't though and here we are.

There are some big short comings with Heaney for sure but there are, in my opinion, with Brent also.

I take particular issue with the ground though and that's it. It's not ours, let them do what needs to be done as long as it saves our club. I don't see it as fair that all this started because of what greedy, short, Ginger Heaney was going to make.... I don't care!! But people who asked that should also ask that about Brent but they don't.

All done.

I apologise for taking part in the hijack.

Anything else on Marin(er)'s comment regarding race etc, can follow it in Terraces.

Further comments in that vien on here, will simply be deleted.

The Football League are to make a statement regarding Plymouth Argyle tomorrow.There are two possible outcomes

Firstly, they can suggest that they are prepared to recommend a conditional approval to the Football League Board for the transfer of the 'Football League share' to PAFC (125) Ltd. (It is a Football League Board decision.) It is then a matter of judgement by Brendan Guilfoyle whether those conditions, whatever they may be, can be met. To continue to confer the Preferred Bidders with their exclusive status he would have to assured that the Sale and purchase Agreement can be completed both in financial and legal terms within an acceptable time limit to him as Joint Administrator

Secondly, the Football League can confirm that they are unhappy with the Bishop International Ltd / PAFC (125) Ltd proposal as it fails to meet their rules, particularly in relation to the Association and Dual Purpose, but possibly others too such as the efficacy of the three year business plan.

Brendan Guilfoyle is on 'lock down' at the moment refusing to engage with the media or anyone else. We know from Peter Ridsdale's comments that he is under pressure from others in his P&A Partnership to bring this to a conclusion. As others have rightly pointed out his reputation as a specialist in the field will be in tatters if he fails to secure the future of the football club and is forced to liquidate the company. It will be biggest failure of a Football League club in history.

The principal reason why a Contingency Plan / rescue plan / contingency plan, call it whatever you like, evolved was to ensure that if the Football League rejected the BIL/PAFC(125)Ltd plan or he finally gave up the ghost in waiting for the funds from Heaney then Guilfoyle could legitimately pick up the phone to an alternative. He could have some confidence in doing so, given that funds have been proven and due diligence had been undertaken, and given it was possible that could be delivered within a constrained timetable.

Make no mistake if a contingency plan were called upon it would be all 'hands to the pump' in an effort to overcome all the difficulties and obstacles within a matter of a few short weeks. That is why it is comforting to know that both the two principal players, the Akkeron Group (under James Brent) and the City Council are fully aware of what needs to be done to secure the future of the football club.

To achieve survival as a football club, if called upon by the administrator, will require a unique partnership (let's call it that rather than a plan) between not only the principal players but the staff, the players and most importantly of all the supporters. There will be no time for rancour and suspicion but instead a unifying spirit is required in excess of the remarkable efforts achieved so far. Nothing less will do.

Points all taken Graham - as a fan, ready to do whatever it takes to make the contingency work!!

Cannot give the same undertaking if PB's are there - sorry!!

Cheers for the update and explanation Graham.

I have a question (and i'm sorry if it's been answered before) you've mentioned a time frame of a few weeks for the contingency to come to fruition should that avenue need to be taken. What are the reasons for this sort of time constraint being placed on the contingency plan?

Again apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere just say so and i'll go searching the other threads.

In answer to LSGreen;s point above . In Guilfoyle's eyes the administration process has been 'unfunded' in his terms since the Preferred Bidders paid only £300,000 of the original £1,000,000. That means he is working on a month to month basis particularly in relation to his exposure to staff and player wages. If, and it is a big if, the Football League say 'no' today or tomorrow then the end of August will become an important date. If it is a conditional 'yes' then we will have to wait to see if Heaney's comes up with the funding.

If he does not and Guilfoyle leaves it to the end of August to look for an alternative I doubt whether he would go beyond a further month without being assured the alternative can be delivered.. So I suppose whichever way you look at it four weeks will be the maximum time he may prepared to give it if he remains under fee pressure from his P & A Partnership not to continue.

As I say it will be all hands to the pump and a unified spirit in excess of the remarkable heights we have already achieved. If survival is assured as a result, to my mind, in all the circumstances, it will be the greatest achievement in the club's history just before its 125th birthday.