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Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 23:38 03 Dec 2011
by Mark Pedlar
Ian Newell wrote: :lol:

He is mate, I've seen his birth certificate. It's written in Olde English though.


I hate Gaymers!!

Didn't think they had paper back then!!

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 23:44 03 Dec 2011
by Andy_S
John Petrie wrote: Frankly the idea that pensioners are not thought of and are treated with contempt is utterly laughable. When was the last time that there was not a pensioners discount? There is a discount this season already, it may not be as much as previous years but it is still a far greater discount than that which has been given to students and military personnel. Just for clarity, there has been no discount for students or for those in the forces and there hasn't been for years.

This new move towards offering these discounts should be applauded not moaned about because seniors are not being given even more discount. If there are many pensioners who cannot afford to follow Argyle any more then it is an issue that is worth looking into again, but let's not forget that pensioners already receive discounted tickets and service personnel and students do not. I feel for anyone who is no longer able to afford to go to Argyle but let's not lose track of reality here.



No, let's not lose track of reality eh John?

The average Corporal in the Army/RAF, a Leading Rate in the RN is paid £31,000 per annum.

The average pensioner in the UK is paid...wait for this one - it's a real doozy...£5311 per annum.

Best not tell the pensioners to spend it all at once eh John.

Oh, and let's not lose track of reality here...shall we?

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 23:58 03 Dec 2011
by Tim Hughes
While there is so many empty seats i really dont know why there are any issues regarding ticket prices. The club should be doing what ever it takes to get bums on seats. Last time we were in this league adult tickets were £15 kids and oaps were £5,( with the odd quid a kid game chucked in for good measure) surely this would put the gate up, make more money and be better for the players out on the pitch?? everyone's a winner ??

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 00:13 04 Dec 2011
by GreenSam
Andy_S wrote:
John Petrie wrote: Frankly the idea that pensioners are not thought of and are treated with contempt is utterly laughable. When was the last time that there was not a pensioners discount? There is a discount this season already, it may not be as much as previous years but it is still a far greater discount than that which has been given to students and military personnel. Just for clarity, there has been no discount for students or for those in the forces and there hasn't been for years.

This new move towards offering these discounts should be applauded not moaned about because seniors are not being given even more discount. If there are many pensioners who cannot afford to follow Argyle any more then it is an issue that is worth looking into again, but let's not forget that pensioners already receive discounted tickets and service personnel and students do not. I feel for anyone who is no longer able to afford to go to Argyle but let's not lose track of reality here.



No, let's not lose track of reality eh John?

The average Corporal in the Army/RAF, a Leading Rate in the RN is paid £31,000 per annum.

The average pensioner in the UK is paid...wait for this one - it's a real doozy...£5311 per annum.

Best not tell the pensioners to spend it all at once eh John.

Oh, and let's not lose track of reality here...shall we?

Although I disagree with the tone of Andy's post, I agree with his point.

Pensioners should, in my view be top of the list for discounts.

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 00:14 04 Dec 2011
by Ian Newell
I agree with that.

They've done their bit and that should be recognised.

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 01:28 04 Dec 2011
by dunlop
John Petrie wrote: Frankly the idea that pensioners are not thought of and are treated with contempt is utterly laughable. When was the last time that there was not a pensioners discount? There is a discount this season already, it may not be as much as previous years but it is still a far greater discount than that which has been given to students and military personnel. Just for clarity, there has been no discount for students or for those in the forces and there hasn't been for years.

This new move towards offering these discounts should be applauded not moaned about because seniors are not being given even more discount. If there are many pensioners who cannot afford to follow Argyle any more then it is an issue that is worth looking into again, but let's not forget that pensioners already receive discounted tickets and service personnel and students do not. I feel for anyone who is no longer able to afford to go to Argyle but let's not lose track of reality here.


John no contempt eh, when you have spent more time in the university of life you may have a different view.

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 11:00 04 Dec 2011
by Mike Greening
Ian Newell wrote: I agree with that.

They've done their bit and that should be recognised.


As you know Ian, I am a pensioner, but the quandary that the club has at the moment is if for example the club cuts the price of OAP season tickets in half will the club double the amount of OAP ST holders to cover the shortfall in income? The club needs to show a profit. :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 12:50 04 Dec 2011
by dunlop
John Petrie wrote: This always comes down to an argument over who deserves something more when really it should be about what makes sense for the club. A lot of students and military personnel will not come from the city and will not be Argyle fans, a lot of them will be football fans and may be able to be tempted to come and watch Argyle. It will be far harder to tempt these people with the price at £20 as they have no attachment to the club and League 2 football is mostly pretty poor fare. Students and military personnel are key parts to the make up of Plymouth and they could provide the club with much needed support and income, therefore it makes sense to attempt to lure them in and make them feel a part of our city and our club.

It is not all about affordability but about how to tempt a large group of people to come and watch Argyle and how Argyle engages with a large part of the Plymouth community, although as Chris has already mentioned he will bring up pensioners ticket prices again, and as has already been pointed out pensioners already receive a discount. When a discount already exists, one in line with most of our league, and Chris has said that he will raise the issue of getting further discount it all seems very petty that there is so much moaning about other groups being given a FIRST discount when a senior discount already exists.

As for contempt of pensioners, the Senior Greens seem to get representatives of the club to come and listen to their concerns and address them and there is a pensioners discount and has been for as long as I remember. Just for once can we stop the bleddy moaning and be happy that the club is going to try and reach out and market itself to key parts of the Plymouth community and that Chris has listened to your concerns and will try to address them. What more can be done without going back in time?


John
you have completely missed the point,it is a fact that there are a lot of pensioners who are Argyle fans who can't afford to watch the club they have supported all of their lives,if the object is to get more fans to come on a regularly basis,surely these people are worth considering, attracting casual visitors is obviously a must, but why they should get a discount when the ordinary fan have to pay the full price.

I don't see this as bxxxxx moaning as you put it, we are having a discussion on a football forum and if I am a pain in the backside to some people tough luck, our senior citizens deserve to be treated with a bit of thought.

Luckily enough I am not in the position as some of the "S/Greens" I am a season ticket holder and get to most away games, I know Chris (are you his pa) will address this issue, it is people like you treating the pensioners with contempt.

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 17:07 04 Dec 2011
by dunlop
John
Still wet behind the ears, explain why the well paid military should have a discount over and above the normal fans, who have been supporting Argyle through thick and thin.

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 17:28 04 Dec 2011
by PL2 3DQ
Free tickets for school kids is the way forward and it would fill the empty seats. The players could visit schools to dish out these tickets with a discount voucher for the parents.

I'm sure the club has done something similar before and reached out to the community.

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 17:29 04 Dec 2011
by oddball
I'm a Senior Green and a lot moaned when the price of Senior Green's membership went up from £5 to £6.OAP's at Argyle get a discount on admission prices which is consistent with the majority of teams in this division.It speaks wonders for Chris Webb that he will look into this matter further.

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 17:55 04 Dec 2011
by gil
Andy_S wrote:
John Petrie wrote: Frankly the idea that pensioners are not thought of and are treated with contempt is utterly laughable. When was the last time that there was not a pensioners discount? There is a discount this season already, it may not be as much as previous years but it is still a far greater discount than that which has been given to students and military personnel. Just for clarity, there has been no discount for students or for those in the forces and there hasn't been for years.

This new move towards offering these discounts should be applauded not moaned about because seniors are not being given even more discount. If there are many pensioners who cannot afford to follow Argyle any more then it is an issue that is worth looking into again, but let's not forget that pensioners already receive discounted tickets and service personnel and students do not. I feel for anyone who is no longer able to afford to go to Argyle but let's not lose track of reality here.



No, let's not lose track of reality eh John?

The average Corporal in the Army/RAF, a Leading Rate in the RN is paid £31,000 per annum.

The average pensioner in the UK is paid...wait for this one - it's a real doozy...£5311 per annum.

Best not tell the pensioners to spend it all at once eh John.

Oh, and let's not lose track of reality here...shall we?



Andy's post says it all for me. I understand people's loyalty towards the armed forces and also understand that it may be a commercially good idea to entice them to Home Park. Having said that they are transient and will probably already have teams they support regularly.


However, any Plymouth pensioners who want to watch Argyle are likely to have been fans who have lapsed for whatever reason. They are very unlikely to be new fans wanting to take up football in their retirement years. That means they are part of the Argyle family already.


It doesn't say much for our new community oriented club if we can't look after our own either before or as well as others. Pensioners are undoubtedly more needy than forces personell and even students and shouldn't be overlooked purely for commercial reasons. That wouldn't sit well with our new found values.

Re: Open Supporters Meeting 14th Jan

Posted: 17:55 04 Dec 2011
by dunlop
John you completely have missed my point, I have never said the 25% discount for pensioners was not generous, my point is there are pensioners who have been supporting Argyle for a long time who just can not afford to go to HP, they surely deserve some thought when discounts are discussed to attract more fans.

Al (oddball) you have only been a member of the S/Greens for a couple of months and would not know the history of the pricing structure, you seem to have a grudge against the pensioners, do not forget you will be one soon.